Thanks for the extra info. It gives me a better picture of the sometimes elusive under the hood stuff.
---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <mactvman@...> wrote :
The ACPL code appears to affect BCC rendering amazingly, and also appears to improve real time effect processing and real time ALE playback. It is code in AVID that allows Media Composer to take advantage of multiple CPU cores AND the GPU for a lot of things, not just rendering plugins.
Here is some info I found on ACPL, when I was researching it:
The Avid Handbook
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 3:03 PM, "Stephen Priest spriest@... [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I've been noticing lately that not all messages sent to the list are getting to my email. I'll be reading a thread and see a reply to a message that I didn't receive.
Anyone else seeing this?
Stephen Priest
CNN Atlanta
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From: "John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2]"
Sent: Jul 14, 2016 3:54 PM
To: yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Avid-L2] Re: Magic Bullet Suite 12.1 and MC 8.6 / Radeon 5870
I didn't see this reply in the Avid L2 but received it direct. I assume I just missed on the L2 site. This is interesting information. I am confused as to why the Quadro 4000 would improve render times in Avid. Perhaps I'm misreading here. My understanding is Avid does not take advantage of the GPU for rendering. I have seen that BCC has preferences to use open CL so I assume that means that BCC has some sort of GPU hooks that circumvent Avid's lack of GPU utilization. I also assume there are some other plug ins that might take advantage of GPU power from an Avid sequence but I'm not versed in which ones do that other than BCC's open CL preference.When you say render times improved by a factor of 60 is that with Avid renders or other software. Given Avid doesn't imploy the GPU is the Quadro taking on burdens that the CPU had to do with lesser GPU cards and thereby freeing up the CPU to do more Avid render crunching?The Quadro 4000 I remember from two or so years ago, when the GTX-680 was new, was almost twice the price of the GTX-680 for a new one. It also seemed it was EOL'd around that time as the new breed with more cuda core, better power and heat efficiencies etc... we're better and cheaper at that time.You've obviously had good performance from the old Quadros and I want to understand better what part of the computer architecture is being helped so that Avid performs better.John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...
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From: Dave Hogan <mactvman@...>
To: "bigfish@..." <bigfish@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Magic Bullet Suite 12.1 and MC 8.6 / Radeon 5870
The Quadro 4000 is not the newest card on the block. It is, however, quite compatible with the Cheese grater macs, (2008 through 2012). There are faster cards. However the real deal here is the value.The Quadro 4000 improved our render times by a factor of about 60 times over the cards we had at work in our Z800's. When I bought one for my 2010 Mac at home I was blown away by how much faster AVID ran and rendered.Some of the newer cards will bottle neck in the machines I mention above, because they are PCIe v3, and the Mac Pro towers are PCIe v2. You don't see that much improvement unless you have a newer, faster motherboard and chip control set that can handle the speed.Terry C mentioned another card, which I believe was an Nvidia GTX card, which is better and faster, especially for Resolve. Problem is that it costs several times more than the Quadro 4000. I don't remember the model, but I recall it had 4GB of onboard memory.Bang for the buck. That's what I am talking about. The minimum here is to have 2 gigs or better in your GPU, so that AVID ACPL libraries will function.I am planning on getting a 2nd Quadro 4000 for my home system to see how it handles Resolve rendering. The newer mac pro towers have 2 16 lane PCIe 2 slots and the Quadro 4000 uses little enough power that I can install two of them without overloading the power rating for the PCIe slots.These cards are all over the place and even blow away the Quadro 4800's, which were all the rage a few years ago.Dave HoganBurbank, CAOn Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:06 PM, "bigfish@... [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Isn't the Quadro 4000 really old technology? A few years back I was told specifically by the Black Magic engineers to go with a GTX-680 over the Quadro 4K. They sighted more cuda cores and that it was much older and less power efficient. Am I confusing that card with the one you have mentioned. I'm not always up on the latest numbering of the more recent cards. At the time the Quadro card was much more expensive than the GTX-680. Am I confused on this?
---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <mactvman@...> wrote :Since 8.5 you need a graphics card with at least 2 gigs ram for the ACPL library to load, (Avid Co-Processing Library). Without it AVID rendering is about 50 or 60 times slower with BCC 10 effects, and you get lots of hanging on render as well.I wonder if this isn't what is causing your problems with Magic Bullet looks.Where I work we just went to Quadro 4000 cards, and the difference is night and day. The PC versions are available on ebay and amazon (used) for about 100 bucks. If you are running Maverics or better, you can use the PC version (if you don't mind loosing the option boot capabilities). The Mac version is around 200 bucks, and you get your apple logo and option boot.Others have posted about some more expensive cards that are even better, but you can't beat the bang for the buck you get with AVID on the Quadro 4000.Dave HoganBurbank, CAOn Tuesday, July 12, 2016 7:53 PM, "Bogdan Grigorescu bogdan_grigorescu@... [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:' They (RG) are pointing at the graphics card since it's not on the Avid approved list '
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From: "etishberg@... [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:52 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Magic Bullet Suite 12.1 and MC 8.6 / Radeon 5870They did tell me they had some issues with previous versions that were fixed, and were surprised I was having these issues.They (RG) are pointing at the graphics card since it's not on the Avid approved list, but I have never had any issues with avid or anything else running with this gfx card.Reminds me of the old online days when CMX would say the problem was with the switcher, and GVG would point at the edit controller.My only thing is that like I said I have never had the problem with the 5870 before.I am going to try it on my MBPro, which is at 8.5.3 and assuming that works (whioch it should) I'll try and upgrade that to 8.6.Thanks...eeli tishbergLive Director | Editordirectoreditor.tv
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