This IS the Avid L2: Re: [Avid-L2] 23.98 vs 24

Monday, June 22, 2015

Re: [Avid-L2] 23.98 vs 24

It wasn't a problem in the Avid, it was a problem outside the Avid. The composer wanted 29.97. Dialog and FX wanted 23.98. Marketing wanted 29.97. Etc. The only department working at true 24 on that show in 2004 was editorial. It became a sync nightmare. The composer constantly complained that hits weren't in the correct place. Sound FX temp tracks were drifting. And during the mix the stage just complained constantly. Ugh. Switching over to a full 23.98 shoot and post was so much easier. Instantly.

Jay

On Jun 22, 2015, at 1:48 AM, 'Edit B' bouke@editb.nl [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ok, first, I don't want to argue with a DP, nor with Jay, but my ideas:
Having to use the shutter to fix a discrepancy between frequencies may result in a (relative) short shutter time,
and that will of course have impact on the motion blur and the amount of light that is needed.

But, modern ballasts are high freqency, there is no flicker issue anymore in pro lighting.

On the other hand, i fail to see the problems when posting at 24.
With the recent thread about 8.3 being able to playback any rate frame by frame, the only issue with 24 could be a sound speed mismatch.
And that is a very easy fix.
(But even that 'should' not happen.)

Bouke

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----- Original Message -----
From: David Dodson davidadodson@sbcglobal.net [Avid-L2]
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ; oliverpetersvidy
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] 23.98 vs 24

Well, this is an Oscar-nominated DP, so he knows what's what. He's talking about flicker as it relates to on-set source lighting and HMI's being shot in Kyiv, Ukraine. The difference in power standards can be problematic sometimes.

David Dodson
davidadodson@sbcglobal.net

On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:57 PM, oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Why does the DP think he'll have flicker issues? Has he ever shot anything else at 23.98 or 24.0 digitally? If so, was there flicker?

I've never found this to be an issue with proper professional lighting; however, I have seen flicker when consumer lighting is in the shot - regardless of frame-rate

I concur with the other comments - you are really throwing a monkey wrench into dailies delivery, sound post, color grading, screening of cuts on video, etc. But yes, it can be done. You also won't be able to easily integrate other cameras like DSLRs and GoPros where sync sound is involved and there's a mix of cameras. That's because these cameras generally do not have a 24.0 mode.

- Oliver

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