The Cine Deck is even hipper than the "Hipster" app Greg H. used at Fremont street to guide me to a "Sloppy Weiner" at the BunkHouse. While QT Pro has this ability you have to flatten it out, resave, to end up with a single file. That takes time, time I don't waste when inserting on tape. The Cine Deck will punch in an insert but still it's a single file ready to go. This is what I was told when I asked if it was using some AS-11 type of pointers trickery to accomplish the insert. So I edit in my change into the file that comes back with QC fixes or just creative changes and I'm done just like tape. That's the way I'm understanding it. As far as this being easy then why isn't everybody doing it? Venice can't right now so I was told at Rhode Schwartz. Bottom line a deck like file recorder will save me the 3 hours ish of rebaking a long form show every time there is a change.
The multiple outputs to record more than one file at a time is also attractive as long as I can punch into my second output file at the same time. I'm told the insert is codec dependent so ProRes and DNX will insert but something like H.264 won't. There are several other codec choices but I don't know which ones will insert edit. It did sound like most of the delivery codecs would support an insert.
I see that Greg H. mentions later in this thread that the Cine Deck only works on it's own files. That I didn't know but it's not a deal breaker for me.
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----- Original Message -----From: bigfish@... [Avid-L2]Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:33 AMSubject: [Avid-L2] Re: Cine Deck does insert Edits? Somebody Pinch me"So I figure they should be able to do an insert edit into a quicktime if they put their minds to it."
I think there might be some Cine Deck pattens that might make that difficult, but I'm no lawyer. If it were so easy why doesn't KiPro do it? That was suggested to me by someone that after all this time KiPro should do it. I don't quite understand your workflow here. Do you end up with a single .mov that you can then do an insert edit into that will still end up being a single .mov file? That's what I see in Cine Deck. A tape deck replacement that records to a file I can hand to the network.
---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <trevatpc@...> wrote :At the cheaper end you should go and check out Softron (at SL12216 apparently)I've been playing around with their movie recorder to work as an ingest app.I've had it ingesting (via BM Mini Recorder) onto my MBP internal SSD, editing that growing file via AMA in Avid and exporting in chunks that then playout using their playback software (and BM Mini Monitor). All on one MBP and internal SSD.Now I'm sure this is not recommended by them and I did get *some* dropped frames, unsurprisingly - but I'm pretty sure they only dropped when I started doing some very stupid stuff.I have done enough testing to know that I can record and edit that recording in Avid via AMA without dropping any frames, all on the same MBP. So very portable tight turnaround edit suite.(It also works with PPro and FCPx.)I also tried out the 'loop' record function - where it will overwrite a quicktime. So I figure they should be able to do an insert edit into a quicktime if they put their minds to it.
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