This IS the Avid L2: [Avid-L2] Re: faster Go Pro injest

Saturday, July 27, 2013

[Avid-L2] Re: faster Go Pro injest

Having discussed this topic with multiple Avid representatives at NAB, my take-away was that ProTools was getting some of the functionality of MC's current video engine and that, somewhere down the road, we could expect some of the functionality of the ProTools audio engine to migrate to MC.

I specifically asked about features such as unlimited audio tracks, sample-based editing, AAX plugins -- and the outrageous notion that audio plugins be somehow organized and presented to the user in something other than the complete and utter nonsense that is the Effects Palette.

I mean, really, the Effects Palette has all of the sophistication and usefulness of a v.1 product written in BASIC. I guess I should just be happy that the Effects Palette isn't also the repository for the Project Settings.

But I'm not complaining.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> "the impression I got that night was that
> there's a new video engine. ProTools is getting it first. "
>
> Just a personal observation, and I know this was just your impression and not a fact. Does it seem strange to anyone else that the "New Video Engine" would be debuted in the audio product. I'm sure there could be valid reasons for this but it just seems strange. Kinda like coming out with a new audio feature in MC before they put it in ProTools. Just seems funny to me, ha ha funny not right or wrong funny.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Pale <pale.edit@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry..I don't have any special info...if I did, I would be under NDA.
> >
> > This was what I gleaned from the online Q&A Avid did when MC7 released at
> > NAB. It may be as limited as what you stated, where "elements" would
> > gradually be incorporated...but the impression I got that night was that
> > there's a new video engine. ProTools is getting it first. MC in the next
> > release, not MC7. But you may be right, and I may be misremembering the
> > exact wording. The live blogging that night was coming fast and furious.
> >
> > Apologies if I gave the impression that I knew some secret inside info.
> > Didn't mean to at all.
> >
> > On Saturday, July 27, 2013, blafarm wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think improvement will come when Avid introduces the new video engine
> > > in the next major release.
> > >
> > > Interesting. If I am not mistaken, I belive you have mentioned this a
> > > couple of times in the past weeks.
> > >
> > > At NAB, Avid was promoting the fact that components of the MC video engine
> > > had finally been integrated into ProTools -- and that, going forward, we
> > > could expect components of the ProTools audio engine to be incorporated
> > > into MC.
> > >
> > > Maybe I was talking to the wrong people, but I did not hear anything about
> > > a new MC video engine -- nor the release timing for such technology ("next
> > > major release").
> > >
> > > Would you mind sharing your knowledge of this new video engine?
> > >
> > > And when you say "next major release" -- were you told this technology
> > > would be incorporated into v.8?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > > 'Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com');>, John Pale <pale.edit@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > They are definitely doing something different with H.264 than your
> > > typical
> > > > DSLR (canon 5D, 7D, etc.), which work quite well with AMA. Probably a
> > > more
> > > > complex GOP structure. More CPU horsepower helps.
> > > >
> > > > Premiere Pro and FCPX can deal with it quite well. Will test with MC 7 on
> > > > my home Avid, in the coming week...but I am not hopeful. I think
> > > > improvement will come when Avid introduces the new video engine in the
> > > next
> > > > major release.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Dom Q. Silverio <domqsilverio@
> > > ...>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Many complex codecs that require Quicktime decoding ("sample provider")
> > > > > will always have terrible performance with AMA. It is utilizing the QT
> > > > > engine (32 bit, single threaded) for tasks normally reserved for MC.
> > > > > "Sample mapped" codecs (aka native Avid codecs) will perform better
> > > > > making playback, transcode, and simple edits viable.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not tested large batch H.264 transcode with MC 7. Hopefully, it
> > > > > is better than 6.0/6.5.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/26/2013 11:29 PM, John Pale wrote:
> > > > > > Dom, you might want to go to the 6th floor of MPE and see how poorly
> > > > > GoPro
> > > > > > footage works with AMA. I'll be happy to show you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's definitely not a normal type of H.264/mp4. The lag is usually so
> > > > > bad,
> > > > > > you won't even be able to make selects to transcode...if you can keep
> > > > > from
> > > > > > crashing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Dom Q. Silverio <domqsilverio@
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> **
> > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> GoPro uses H.264 based encoding in a MP4 container.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think AMA was added around 5.0.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 7/26/2013 8:49 PM, Robert Lawson wrote:
> > > > > >>> AMA for AVCHD material, like GoPro footage, was introduced in Media
> > > > > >>> Composer 6.5, if I recall.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Remember that you get Sorenson Squeeze bundled with Media Composer
> > > and
> > > > > >>> NewsCutter now, so you may be able to use that to process the
> > > clips, as
> > > > > >>> well.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ---
> > > > > >>> Rob Lawson
> > > > > >>> System Administrator, ACSR ISIS, Windows & Interplay
> > > > > >>> CBS News
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Dom Q. Silverio <
> > > > > domqsilverio@
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> **
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> GoPro are MP4/H.264 files. Quicktime can open it, thus Avid can
> > > AMA
> > > > > it.
> > > > > >>>> I just AMA'd 4096x2160 file from a GoPro Hero Black Edition in to
> > > MC
> > > > > >> 6.5.
> > > > > >>>> Check your entire file path and name. Also, make sure you don't
> > > have
> > > > > any
> > > > > >>>> 3rd party H.264 decoder (such as Perien) that can interfere with
> > > AMA.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On 7/26/2013 6:58 PM, Benjamin Hershleder wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Lou Wirth wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Ive never been able to ama Go Pro. Not sure why.
> > > > > >>>>> Oh, Avid . . .
> > > > > >>>>> I bet you could make a lot of folks very happy
> > > > > >>>>> if you'd code an AMA plug-in for GoPro footage
> > > > > >>>>> (especially since Premiere eats it without a problem).
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Just sayin' . . . .
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> B
> > > > > >>>>> ----
> > > > > >>>>> Benjamin Hershleder
> > > > > >>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/avidmc-book
> > > > > >>>>> Site: http://ContactBen.com
> > > > > >>>>>
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> > > > > >>>>>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Benjamin Hershleder <
> > > > > Ben@>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> Hmmm, won't AMA you say.
> > > > > >>>>>>> I thought the line from Avid was:
> > > > > >>>>>>> "if it'll play in your QT Player, then it will AMA."
> > > > > >>>>>>> So, what's the deal? Why can't MC AMA to MPEG4 clips?
> > > > > >>>>>>> Or does GoPro use some sort of propriety codec?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Curious . . .
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> B
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> ----
> > > > > >>>>>>> Benjamin Hershleder
> > > > > >>>>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/avidmc-book
> > > > > >>>>>>> Site: http://ContactBen.com
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Lou Wirth wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Go Pro. Hate them! Long, big clips that won't AMA. Ties up
> > > system
> > > > > >>>> during import and in the end I use a few seconds of one or two
> > > clips
> > > > > at
> > > > > >>>> best. Is there a faster way to ingest? Even if that means
> > > converting
> > > > > in
> > > > > >>>> another software and then AMA. Anyone have a good system?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> thanks
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Lou
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Lou Wirth Productions
> > > > > >>>>>>>> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> > > > > >>>>>>>> www.louwirth.com
> > > > > >>>>>>>> 415-924-9411p
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