Friday, November 16, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: 23.98 sequences in 59.94I 1080 master?

 

I always check especially with AMA'd QT movies, where the accuracy is far
lower compared to camera based file formats.

Dom Q. Silverio

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Greg Huson <Greg@secrethq.com> wrote:

> Actually, the motion adapter 'guesses' (i'm sure its more sophisticated
> than that) the source- usually it gets it right. Most often the motion
> adapter will correctly guess that 2398p in a 5994i project needs pull down
> added.
>
> (The one it never gets right is removing 2:3 from a 720 / 5994 source in
> a 2398 project- the motion adapter
> Always assume the 720 is 'p,' but it's easy enough to open the motion
> adapter and adjust.)
>
> It's a good idea to eyeball every shot carefully.
>
> (actually harder to see the errors on a newer monitor because they tend to
> suppress interlace issues automatically! If you do this a lot, keep a
> glass monitor around - its easier to see motion adapter errors.)
>
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> On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:26 AM, "ksirul" <kenavid2@glueedit.com> wrote:
>
> > When MC adds a motion adapter, it isn't actually adding 3:2 pulldown
> right? It's just a 125% Motion Effect?
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Mark Spano <cutandcover@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > You have it, although the way I read it, you may be adding (or being
> forced
> > > to add) multiple redundant steps. If this were my show, I would have
> just
> > > cut everything into a master 59.94i sequence. Not sure why there's
> bouncing
> > > back and forth between 23.98p and 59.94i sequences, when MC can handle
> the
> > > 23.98 material perfectly fine in the 59.94i sequence using motion
> adapters.
> > > But anyway, once you have everything in your master 59.94i sequence,
> yes,
> > > the 23.98 sections will have motion adapters added to them
> automatically.
> > > You can definitely mixdown those sections, but to avoid clutter and
> > > confusion, I usually just render. Rendering the sequence bakes in the
> > > motion adapters - you then in effect have an entirely 59.94i sequence,
> and
> > > any file outputs can be done using QT ref or same-as-source (as every
> > > referenced file is now either a natively 59.94i video file or a
> rendered
> > > (baked in) 59.94i file). Avoiding mixing down is just a preference for
> me
> > > at this stage, since it makes things much easier when the inevitable
> last
> > > minute note comes down and we've got to change something. Then I don't
> have
> > > to remove a mixdown and revert to a previous sequence to make that
> happen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM, John Moore <bigfish@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So I'm doing an hour special that has a few sketches shot on Red, oh
> joy,
> > > > at 23.98. For the studio shoot of the main show it is all 59.94. We
> took
> > > > the sketches and cut them into a 59.94 sequence to build the studio
> > > > playback reel. The offline is being done with the line cut and isos
> and
> > > > the playback reel. I haven't had to deal much with mix and match but
> I
> > > > figure I will color correct the sketches in their native format
> timelines
> > > > and then when I get the final online sequence I will eye match and
> cut in
> > > > the 23.98 sequences into the 59.94 final timeline. Avid will add the
> > > > appropriate motion adapter and voila away we go. Am I missing
> something
> > > > here? Will I need to do video mixdowns of the 23.98 sequences to
> output to
> > > > tape or file. I'm delivering a file as primary and tape as backup. I
> seem
> > > > to have read that the mixdown will be required for a QT ref movie do
> to the
> > > > differing frame rates. Usually I like to export a QT ref for
> multiple audio
> > > > channels and use QT Pro to make the final file. This has worked well
> even
> > > > when I had to go to ProRes files. There is the option to export an
> XDCam
> > > > file which would require that fake disk folder thingy and an export
> to
> > > > device IIRC. Can someone shed some more light on the need for a video
> > > > mixdown of the 23.98 sections or do I have to mixdown the entire
> show? TIA
> > > >
> > > > John Moore
> > > >
> > > > Barking Trout Productions
> > > >
> > > > Studio City, CA
> > > >
> > > > bigfish@...
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