No, you didn't ask an innocent question, and saying you did doesn't make it one. I'm just saying. You were laying bait for an argument. Hey, I'm just saying. And I took the effort to do research for you and gave you leads on dozens of more appropriate venues to discuss political and union issues. Lists that are dedicated to those topics.
You reply by making passive accusations that I'm somehow personally attacking you. Accusing me of "venting" and not providing "constructive criticism". And telling me to slow my roll. It's obvious that you are talented at being passive aggressive and at portraying yourself as a victim instead of making sound arguments to support your position. I'm just saying.
Of course I'm sure I could never do enough to satisfy your innocent inquiry. I'm just saying. Even if I were to go through the extra effort of finding a single totally awesome extra special best list for discussing politics. I'm guessing that you would dismiss it by saying that you think the Avid-L is better. And then you would probably accuse me of being totally irate because I actually did make the effort to find you a better place to discuss politics. I'm just saying.
And the article that was linked to that started this thread is total crap. It's one-sided and just poor journalism. They apparently didn't even try to contact Blueprint to get a statement from them. And I can easily see how it would be offensive to the many members on this list who are facility owners and managers. And who probably often hire non-union workers. It wasn't posted as humor, or as an example of poor writing. It was posted to be biased. As soon as I noticed the post it seemed like a dickish thing to post to this list. And if you haven't noticed I'm somewhat of a dick too. So I should know dickish when I see it. I'm just saying.
But hey, maybe instead of making veiled accusation of others you could provide some constructive criticism. I'm just saying. Maybe you could actually define why the Avid-L is a better place to talk about union shop stuff than any other list. Maybe you could define what would satisfy your need to be a better and more robust venue for discussing political and labor issues. I'm just saying.
But now for MY innocent question. If you didn't want me to answer you then why did you ask me the question in the first place? Especially if you already knew that you would not be satisfied with any response I gave you? I'm just saying.
Thank you, (I'm just saying)
Jay (I'm just saying) Mahavier
P.S. - Now THAT was a bit of Sunday afternoon venting. And while you, and probably many others, don't see any humor in this, my wife certainly does. I"M JUST SAYING!!!!!!
On Aug 26, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Anna Hovhannessian wrote:
> Jay, slow your roll.
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> I was just asking an innocent question. You suggested this topic be brought to another forum, I thought you would know of one specifically where it would be more appropriate.
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> And though there are hundreds, I was hoping your direction would help weed out the good ones from the ok ones.
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> Constructive criticism is always better than just plain venting.
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> On Aug 25, 2012, at 11:50 PM, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> really, you can't find any other place to talk about politics or the union? Then you didn't even try.
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>> Since you are a member of this list you probably have access to all of the Yahoo Groups. I found a whole section on there devoted to the subject of Government and Politics. Under the Politics section there are 27647 groups. Try some of those.
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>> If you want to focus on union and labor issues a search for IATSE brings back 23 groups.
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>> A search for Labor Union brings back 454 groups.
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>> That was with a very minimal effort.
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>>> I don't know of any venue as robust and rich.
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>>>> Personally I'm not interested in getting into politics and union issues on this list. And I am a member of and support the 700. It's all worth talking about and discussing, but I believe it's best left somewhere else.
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>>>> Jay Mahavier
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>>>> On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Mark wrote:
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>>>>> "how pathetic is our aversion to the political sphere that our illustrious group can't politely
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>>>>> ... and away we go! Told ya!
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>>>>>> I agree with Anna. I come to the L-2 for the tech, but I stay for the community. And I like reading about the political wrangling that impacts our professional lives. And anyway, union issues don't seem like so much political issues as just a very real part of working the industry at this level. AND... how pathetic is our aversion to the political sphere that our illustrious group can't politely engage these issues without the threat of it descending into acrimony and invective?
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>>>>>>> I like it. And honestly we don't always stick to tech. It's part of being a community of editors.
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>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:56 PM, "Mark" <markraudonis@...> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Can we stick to the tech stuff and not go all political on this board? There's plenty of other
>>>>>>>> venues for this discussion... don't need it here. Thanks.
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