Re: [Avid-L2] Shooting specs

 

You might want to make sure the people making the decision understand
that 29.97p is also an option. They'll get the look of progressive
without the pulldown. Pulldown is part of the experience of watching
films on TV. It is not historically part of the experience of watching
films in theaters. --J.B.

Dan McCabe wrote:
> Thanks guys for answering.
>
> I think Bouke's point is that shooting 24P in general is dopey
> unless you have European partners/markets or theater release in
> mind. And an interesting point it is. I guess my question would
> be how much of the "film look" that people in the States like is
> the cadence of 3:2 pull down and not really 24Pness? It's the way
> folks have watched film on TV in the States forever.
>
> To answer Dom's question, the project is talking like they want
> to edit in HD and not in an offline/online model. Does DNxHD220
> make that a bit of a bear? (I personally still like offline and
> having all the materials for an hour doc on a one terabyte drive
> that I can walk out the door with.)
>
> Thanks again,
>
> D.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012, at 08:15 AM, Dom Q. Silverio wrote:
>
>
> Sorry if I was not clear but I actually agreed with you ("but
> staying
> true 23/24").
> On 3/2/2012 7:31 AM, bouke wrote:
>
>> well, i disagree on the flexibility of adding pulldown during
>>
> the shoot.
>
>> If you edit with pulldown, you get cadence breaks, so the whole
>>
> idea of 24p
>
>> is gone on the master.
>> And i would say only if, AND ONLY IF there is a chance to get
>>
> to Europe or
>
>> the theatre, shoot 24.
>> Otherwise, be happy about 6 frames more per second.
>>
>> Bouke
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dom Q. Silverio"<[2]domqsilverio@gmail.com>
>> To:<[3]Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Shooting specs
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sony suggests 10 bit codec when shooting S-log to truly take
>>>
> advantage
>
>>> of this feature.
>>>
>>> 145 vs 220? Just really depends on cost and delivery
>>>
> requirements.
>
>>> Bigger files means more storage, more time to copy the files
>>>
> for backup,
>
>>> higher cost. Are you going to offline/online or stay online
>>>
> all the way?
>
>>> If you are delivering SR, I strongly suggest 220.
>>>
>>> 220x (10 bit) and 220 8 bit do take the same amount of space.
>>>
> 10 bit is
>
>>> achieved by sacrificing a bit in compression ratio as it is a
>>>
> bit more
>
>>> compressed than 8 bit.
>>>
>>> Shooting 23/24p with pulldown will make it easier in post but
>>>
> staying
>
>>> true 23/24 gives you more flexibility.
>>>
>>>
>>> .02
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2012 7:10 PM, Dan McCabe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some tech questions have floated my way and I wonder if folks
>>>>
> here have
>
>>>> some experience/opinions.
>>>>
>>>> This is for a PBS documentary series, interviews and archival
>>>>
> mostly.
>
>>>> There is a good chance much of it will be shot on the Sony F3
>>>>
> using an
>
>>>> external recorder in a DNxHD codec. No green screen.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the questions:
>>>>
>>>> Should we use an 8-bit or a 10-bit codec? (Again, a broadcast
>>>>
> series. No
>
>>>> green screen.)
>>>>
>>>> It is my understanding that 8-bit and 10-bit take up the same
>>>>
> amount of
>
>>>> disk space. Correct?
>>>>
>>>> The F3 can use S-log. If folks want the latitude of S-log,
>>>>
> does that
>
>>>> mean 10-bit because 8-bit doesn't have enough information to
>>>>
> be
>
>>>> processed?
>>>>
>>>> If 8-bit, is DNxHD220 overkill for broadcast? Should we use
>>>>
> DNxHD145 to
>
>>>> decrease storage? Or is better to err toward more information
>>>>
> to provide
>
>>>> more color correction possibilities especially for when
>>>>
> someone screws
>
>>>> up?
>>>>
>>>> The Producers want to shoot 23.976 fps. There may be the
>>>>
> choice to
>
>>>> record with pull-down at 29.97 fps. The final delivery will
>>>>
> be 29.97fps.
>
>>>> Most of the archival will be 29.97fps.
>>>> Should they record the 23.976fps as 29.97fps DNxHD files to
>>>>
> streamline
>
>>>> the edit?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any insight,
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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