Thanks for weighing in.
The majority of our compositing happens pre-conform on other platforms. The
most we would probably do in conform is some titling, etc and even that may
be prebuilt.
We do a lot of versioning which has made the color correct features of
Symphony very attractive. To this point, we've been offlining in FCP and
finishing in Smoke. The offline is moving back to Avid which makes
conforming in Smoke seem inefficient given the Symphony workflow. The
ability to go back to offline after conform is definitely a plus. We don't
revise too often but keeping it in the same family never hurts.
Given the price of DS and the compatibility concerns, I don't think we can
treat it as a serious option. It's a little too much for our workflow and
limits our options regarding operators.
My big concern with Symphony is everyone else's: cost versus performance
compared with a MC Nitris setup. Given that until 3/18 Symphony costs
roughly $7k more than that MC system, I think it's a cost effective solution
and opens up our Smoke/Flame to hopefully more billing.
And obviously, the future of Symphony is a concern as well. That said, if
it's the proper tool for the near future, I don't see too many negatives
given the price point.
Scott
On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:12 AM, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:
You've listed a couple issues with going to DS. Another to consider is the
available pool of operators. If you have a dedicated operator, and don't
need to pull in freelance, then this isn't an issue.
If you do a lot of compositing, which I'm guessing you would be doing if you
are mostly promos, then DS is the better option.
If you want to take the project from your finishing room back to your
offline rooms, then DS isn't for you.
Also, in promo work you don't gain much from the source side correction,
unless you have a lot of versioning in which case you can automatically
apply your corrections from one sequence to another using "merge
corrections".
If you need secondaries, Symphony or DS for sure.
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Ham <scottham.list@...> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely looking more into the DS option. There are a few factors
> working against me, though:
>
> The first is the PC in a Mac world that I mention.
>
> The second is that we'd be taking advantage of the Adrenaline trade-in
> option, which would get us a Symphony (CPU/Nitris/software) for under
$20k.
> I haven't gotten a price on the DS yet but I assume since it's not part of
> the Adrenaline trade-in that pricewise it's not going to come close.
>
> The third is that this machine will mostly be serving a promo department
> which will have some pretty quick turnaround and likely, at points, one of
> three operators handling the finishing and layoff. My knowledge of DS is
> limited, but if there is a learning curve, it may limit our flexibility
with
> staff/finishing, etc.
>
> I would like the machine to finish more than just promos but that isn't
the
> opinion of everyone.
>
> At that price point for the Symphony, my higher ups feel ok about the
> benefit of Universal Mastering and expanded color correct, two features
that
> will definitely help in the promo world. At $7k more than a Nitris, it
does
> seem like a lot but the flexibility it gives may be worth it. I'm still
> trying to measure that cost versus performance compared to a DS.
>
>
> Scott
>
> On Feb 27, 2011, at 7:55 AM, "switthaus" <switthaus@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am sure there are a few that Terry can come up with.
>
> But if I am investing in finishing and with an Avid product, no way in
hell
> am I spending premium money on a Symphony. As stated on another thread on
> this list, there is just not enough difference between MC and Symphony to
> justify the premiums paid by Symph owners. And unless Avid has something
up
> its sleeve to give Symph some unique features, thats not gonna change.
With
> DS|Soft you could build a pretty powerful finishing room, albeit PC. There
> is a learning curve, but, contrary to popular belief, its not that bad and
> conforms are pretty damn complete.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Ham <scottham.list@> wrote:
>
> > It's a good point, though. I started looking at the DS but I fear
> > introducing a PC based Avid to our Mac based shop. I assume we would
only
> > run into the occasional font issue. Our network is Xserve based but we
> could
> > make that work.
> >
> >
> > Are there any other gotchas I might not be thinking of? Besides the
price
> > difference?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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