Tuesday, August 20, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] Improving old footage

 

With video as the source, you are more limited.

If you have 16mm and 35mm film to work with,
you are far better off..  Get it newly scanned
at the highest rez available.

Scanning prices have come down,
as choices of scanning methods
have multiplied.

Jackson was working with 35mm to begin with,
greatly expanding his options.

On Aug 20, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It seems lately there has been a lot of attention on improving the quality of archival footage with Peter Jackson rising to the pinnacle with his colorization and uprezzing of WWI footage..  I recently say immigrant footage from the 30s that looked amazing at 4K.


I am working on pre production of that doc that has hours of video from the 60s and lots of him from the 40s.  My question is….what are some of the options to get this material to 4K.  Producer is pushing for this so I wanted to know if there is software for some of this or is it all out-house to a a company with the heavy gear and expensive price tags.

Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks 

Lou


Lou Wirth Productions
3210 Kerner Boulevard
Suite 302
San Rafael, CA 94901
www.louwirth.com
415-706-8992p



Chip Hess
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[Avid-L2] Improving old footage

 

It seems lately there has been a lot of attention on improving the quality of archival footage with Peter Jackson rising to the pinnacle with his colorization and uprezzing of WWI footage.  I recently say immigrant footage from the 30s that looked amazing at 4K.


I am working on pre production of that doc that has hours of video from the 60s and lots of him from the 40s.  My question is….what are some of the options to get this material to 4K.  Producer is pushing for this so I wanted to know if there is software for some of this or is it all out-house to a a company with the heavy gear and expensive price tags.

Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks 

Lou


Lou Wirth Productions
3210 Kerner Boulevard
Suite 302
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www.louwirth.com
415-706-8992p

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Monday, August 19, 2019

[Avid-L2] Upgrading subscription licenses to Ultimate

 

Hi.

Our studio purchased non-Ultimate Media Composer licenses, but we now find that we need Ultimate for the Shared Storage / Bin Locking features.

Is there a way to convert an existing license to Ultimate?

Ed Fuller

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Sunday, August 18, 2019

[Avid-L2] Re: Sony Slog HDR in an Avid 2018.X world?

 

Plus I found quite a few plugins are not truly 10bit (banding visible), and the exports were not completely invisible (although colour shifts did not concatenate & I had limited test time & resources, so I wasn't sure what was occurring).

This was in PP but Avid likely to be similar for plugins, maybe exports will be cleaner.

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[Avid-L2] Re: Sony Slog HDR in an Avid 2018.X world?

 

Hi John

https://assets.pro.sony.eu/Web/ngp/pdf/hdr-explained.pdf

Just put my toe in the Sony 'SR LIVE' workflow - turning round HD-HDR HFR on a live show (fortunately stereo but Atmos coming...). Basically the OB cameras are Slog3 once they hit baseband - through evs, switcher etc - so the edits have to be Slog3 in & out. SDR derived from the Slog3 down the line...

Vital here for any codec to be 10bit & decent datarate. EVS are set to XAVC (everyone seems to be moving there for UHD / HDR / HFR) but there's not much support for renders/mixdowns in Avid or PP, so tending to use suitable 10bit DNx flavour as intermediate. Playback can be lumpy at these datarates too.

We monitored HDR with Sony BVM x300 - but it's certainly tricky grading Slog3 HDR without a confidence SDR output. Plus the BVM is a $$$ monitor.

I don't think you can add a monitoring LUT to Avid so I think you be better with a monitor that can have a LUT loaded, or an external LUT box inline. Plus saves resources.

Interested, as ever, to see how you get on...

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[Avid-L2] Re: Sony Slog HDR in an Avid 2018.X world?

 

Your problem is that you have to match the color space they are working with. Yes, you can put a LUT on an upper track to see the 709 output while you work, but what are you going to send back to them? In other words, what are you going to export? You need the timeline to be in that color space so your export without the 709 LUT is correct.

So, find out what color space they are working in, and see if Avid has a matching option, and then you should be golden.

PS: This is one of the things ACES is supposed to fix some day.

John wrote:
"Does anyone know if there is a LUT choice in Avid the would take Sony Slog HDR, I assume Slog 3, and convert it to a Rec 709 environment so I could see something fairly normal to work in?  I suppose I could just work with it all milky but I think that might make it harder to judge paint outs etc..."

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"John Moore" johnrobmoore

A post producer friend is onlining at a large facility for a 4K finish in HDR.  I'm told they shot in SLog so I assume it's on Sony cameras.  They are using baselight and had suggested Flame but he doesn't really have a Flame budget so I'm not sure what they are using with baselight at this point.  The estimate for what seem to be fairly basic paint outs of prompter, crew etc... is very high.
We are looking into doing some of the paint outs with other people.  I haven't worked in HDR in Avid but given they want to do the paint outs in SLog world I figure if it's simple cloning out type stuff I could probably help out on the project.  I see there is some HDR support in Avid 2018..X but I'm not versed in what kind of a project I would set up.
My thought is I could create an output LUT on an upper track.  I know MC 2019 seems to have more options for things that seem to mimic the functionality of an output LUT but I'm not running 2019 at this point.

Does anyone know if there is a LUT choice in Avid the would take Sony Slog HDR, I assume Slog 3, and convert it to a Rec 709 environment so I could see something fairly normal to work in?  I suppose I could just work with it all milky but I think that might make it harder to judge paint outs etc...
Any thoughts or suggestions welcome.  I would have hoped to approach HDR in my more native Avid centric world but this is jumping in the middle of a baselight and not sure what workflow so I'm not in any kind of comfort zone.

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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[Avid-L2] Sony Slog HDR in an Avid 2018.X world?

 

A post producer friend is onlining at a large facility for a 4K finish in HDR.  I'm told they shot in SLog so I assume it's on Sony cameras.  They are using baselight and had suggested Flame but he doesn't really have a Flame budget so I'm not sure what they are using with baselight at this point.  The estimate for what seem to be fairly basic paint outs of prompter, crew etc... is very high.

We are looking into doing some of the paint outs with other people.  I haven't worked in HDR in Avid but given they want to do the paint outs in SLog world I figure if it's simple cloning out type stuff I could probably help out on the project.  I see there is some HDR support in Avid 2018.X but I'm not versed in what kind of a project I would set up.

My thought is I could create an output LUT on an upper track.  I know MC 2019 seems to have more options for things that seem to mimic the functionality of an output LUT but I'm not running 2019 at this point.

Does anyone know if there is a LUT choice in Avid the would take Sony Slog HDR, I assume Slog 3, and convert it to a Rec 709 environment so I could see something fairly normal to work in?  I suppose I could just work with it all milky but I think that might make it harder to judge paint outs etc...

Any thoughts or suggestions welcome.  I would have hoped to approach HDR in my more native Avid centric world but this is jumping in the middle of a baselight and not sure what workflow so I'm not in any kind of comfort zone.

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

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Thursday, August 15, 2019

[Avid-L2] Re: BCC Chroma Key Studio Tutorials?

 

Thanks for the suggestions the Fundamental 009 I found a day ago and it was more helpful than the first one I looked at.



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I don't know if this is too late for you, John, but I got this heads up for a Boris tutorial the other day. It doesn't happen until next week though.

Meanwhile, I've had luck with these tutorials.

Martin

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[Avid-L2] Re: BCC Chroma Key Studio Tutorials?

 

Thanks I had found that one but was looking for a more basic one.  I've found a few that are listed later in this thread.  Thanks for looking.



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[Avid-L2] Re: BCC Chroma Key Studio Tutorials?

 

I don't know if this is too late for you, John, but I got this heads up for a Boris tutorial the other day. It doesn't happen until next week though.


Meanwhile, I've had luck with these tutorials.

Martin

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Wednesday, August 14, 2019

[Avid-L2] Re: BCC Chroma Key Studio Tutorials?

 

Google is your friend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTn1yBADE_c

Terence Curren
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[Avid-L2] Re: BCC Chroma Key Studio Tutorials?

 

Good to know.  For my current needs it's an Avid workflow to keep things simple and efficient.



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I can't help with BCC Chroma Key Studio, but I believe you also have previously mentioned you have Resolve.  Have you tried the Fusion Delta Keyer?  I found it to be superb.  I've also done a lot of chroma keys with uneven green screens using Resolve's 3D keyed in the colour page with great results, particularly because it is easy to grade the foreground and background.  You can also use serial nodes before the key to even out at green screen.

Cheers, Scott

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[Avid-L2] Re: BCC Chroma Key Studio Tutorials?

 

I can't help with BCC Chroma Key Studio, but I believe you also have previously mentioned you have Resolve.  Have you tried the Fusion Delta Keyer?  I found it to be superb.  I've also done a lot of chroma keys with uneven green screens using Resolve's 3D keyed in the colour page with great results, particularly because it is easy to grade the foreground and background.  You can also use serial nodes before the key to even out at green screen.

Cheers, Scott

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