Re: [Avid-L2] avid editors' opinion of adobe premiere?

 

I think cutting at full res with that much media is going to hurt regardless of edit system. You have a 5k monitor?

I personally would rethink my workflow. I generally offline at 720p mainly because I can take the project home onto a laptop on a thunderbolt drive. I've done this for years and they can start to shoot 25k tomorrow and nothing will change in my workflow.

I then conform in resolve from full res and grade. For long form tv I render deliverable sized prores 4444 for films and tvcs I render dpx image sequences And then finish in flame.

But to your question. A year ago I did a tvc with a premiere offline with multiple frame rate source which in the edit got further time warped. The edl from premiere was a list of random numbers - so I'd do some tests unless the premiere edit is the master you might run into issues at the end and eye matching long format is tedious.

Just a general word of advice - in our business it's up to us to tame the footage not to let the footage dictate our methods. If we aren't careful we reinvent the wheel every job for every new camera, seems only 5 minutes ago we were forced to use Monkey Extract and a raft of clever but cludgey workarounds to accommodate a single camera. That approach is the way to insanity. Cut in what you like at a resolution you can throw around so you're not breaking the editorial flow and deal with deliverable requirements at the end - you're a long way from delivering so why suffer all edit when you can just have a tricky day of upres and conform at the end?

Mike

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On Mar 17, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Michael Brockington mbrock321@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have a project coming up that seems like it might be better suited to
cutting on Premiere. I've been using Avid almost exclusively for a long
time, and am very happy on it, while my knowledge of Premiere is pretty
thin.

I'm sure there are people on the list using both programs, and would be
very curious what you think are the best and worst aspects of Premiere,
from an Avid-centric point of view.

This upcoming project will use a custom raster - probably something like
5276x1920, so about 5xHD frames stacked sideways, which would be about
25% more pixels than a 4K frame. Source footage will be mostly HD and
some 4K/5K, from at least 5 different camera models. Multiple sources
(say 5-10 at any given time) will be composited to fill the frame,
mostly using soft-edged mattes.

Each source will probably need a colour LUT, a geometric translation
and/or rotation, maybe scaling, and a matte to fit it into the raster.
There's a lot of overcranked footage that will need to be slowed down in
the timeline. I doubt I will be able to get the performance I need from
Avid without a lot of rendering, so that's the main thing pushing me
towards Premiere.

Project will be 20-30 minutes long, with somewhere around 150 hours of
source footage. Most footage is effectively MOS, with little or no
dialogue.

I think even on Premiere, it would be smoother working with lower-rez
proxy footage - i.e. transcoding sources to something like ProResLT for
offline editing. One potential issue I see is that support for an
offline/online workflow in Premiere seems pretty kludgy. Does anyone
have a solid workflow for that kind of scenario? Or strong caveats?

I see Premiere uses a single huge project file, rather than invidividual
bins. How big of an issue is that on a project like this with a lot of
source footage?

Appreciate any thoughts, or pointers to useful resources,
--Michael Brockington

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