Tuesday, October 20, 2015

Re: [Avid-L2] Walter Murch and NLEs

 

Waveforms are supposed to be cached. i haven't had problems with that for over a year… something is wrong.


And I'm talking about 18 tracks of waveforms on a two hour sequence… no redrawing… no lag…. on an iMac.

Steve

On Oct 20, 2015, at 5:50 PM, David Dodson davidadodson@sbcglobal.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


When I get a chance, I'll make a video of the actual behavior and send it to you. Probably the best way to get a handle on it is to actually see it happening.

Thanks for your help!

DD




On Oct 20, 2015, at 2:44 PM, David Colantuoni david.colantuoni@avid.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Dave,

I asked around and this should not be an issue. I'll ask somebody on my team to look into it further.

Dave





 

 


From: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of "David Dodson davidadodson@sbcglobal.net [Avid-L2]"
Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com", David Dodson
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 5:19 PM
To: Ricardo Ismach
Cc: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Walter Murch and NLEs

 

In my case, I use every one of the 24 available audio tracks. For features, I'll usually have production audio on tracks 1-8, Music on 9-12, and the rest is effects.

For some reason, I've done a lot of films with large casts, so I get all kinds of booms plus iso tracks, and I put them all on the timeline for easier turnover to the sound people at picture lock.

And since producers now seem to demand a high level of presentational value form the offline, you're obligated to tart it up with all kinds of sound effects and ambiences, anything to make it more polished. And again, I'm just talking about the offline here. Gone are the days when people knew how to watch an edit, knowing that later, down the line, the sound professionals would get their hands on it and do their excellent thing.

No. Now, everyone's got to come into the bay and watch something that could, but for some color grading and dialogue EQ, walk and talk like a damned near finished product.

In any case, I rant mildly only to illustrate why I have so many audio tracks going that need all that damnable wave form redraw. Because I would find it very difficult to do my job as efficiently without the wave forms. I like the wave forms. Hell, I love the wave forms. But for the love of god, why, in any complex sequence over five minutes long, does it become such a burden on the system?




On Oct 20, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Ricardo Ismach <bad-dog@casualdog.org> wrote:

Rewrites (of audio waveforms) have been snappy for me for some time - probably a good couple of years.  While I have an audio engineering background, I rarely have more than a dozen or so audio tracks (probably because I am failing to dedicate tracks to individual cues as some might).  

R

On 10/20/15 1:23 PM, David Dodson davidadodson@sbcglobal.net [Avid-L2] wrote:
 
MC 8.4.2. Mac OS 10.10.5. 27" Retina iMac. 32 GB RAM. 4 Ghz Intel Core i7.

And you should see the funky "rewrite" effect, as it looks like it's "scanning" each audio track. I don't know how to even describe it. I was going to actually shoot a video of the timeline as it does this thing, and post it to see if I was the only one who was seeing this behavior.


On Oct 20, 2015, at 1:18 PM, David Colantuoni david.colantuoni@avid.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

What version are you on, I swear we had fixed this years ago.


David Colantuoni
Senior Director PM Creative Tools & Storage | Products and Technology



From: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of "David Dodson davidadodson@sbcglobal.net [Avid-L2]"
Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com", David Dodson
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 3:32 PM
To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com", Marcel Brassard
Cc: David Colantuoni
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Walter Murch and NLEs

 
As long as we're doing this, I'll go ahead and say that I would sell my soul to perdition for audio waveforms (and redraws) that don't bog the system performance down to maddening degrees.

I'm on a decently powerful Mac, and even then there are times in which I'll merely change the zoom on the timeline, and then have to sit there and wait for the waveforms. I cut mainly features, so I'll have around eight layers of production audio, several music tracks, SFX, etc. Maddening and deflating.





--   Ricardo Ismach  Casual Dog Productions, LLC  Portland, OR






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