I agree it got much better over time but on release both DS and Alias Advance keyed badly compared to Flame and even the Henry. That sidelined both boxes in the online community.
Like flame at launch there was no real time capture and rushes came in via an a60 and Ethernet which back then topped out at 10 which meant you needed rushes the day before. Phil tweedy in London set up a software only post house based around the advance and it quickly died. Tvcs revolves around change - a suite that couldn't just grab an extra shot had no chance.
By the time ds was out flame had vtr I/o and Henry was conforming edls.
The software solutions that came out later like shake and nuke learnt from ds and came bundled with primatte and keylight which is of course what most ds owners had to buy.
The last version I compared against a flame (in rooms opposite each other) with a very experienced editor was 8 years ago and it didn't compare favorably in terms of transform quality or key power. Bear in mind flame had the master keyer and modular keyer by then allowing unlimited nodes of matte processing, edge processing, pre and post filtering, hue suppression, colour correction and more.
I greatly envied the ds conforms from our Avids loading up a sequence as it was in offline so effortlessly and genuinely hoping to hop over but a critical analysis said the quality of result just wasnt quite as good.
The first thing I ever saw that matched the quality of flame outputs was shake.
Best regards
Mike
On 6 Aug, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Tony Quinsee-Jover <tony@hdheaven.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/08/2013 03:51, Mikeparsons.tv wrote:
> > People didn't buy it because it keyed terribly compared to a flame.
>
> Mike, that's now twice you've said the same thing, and it's quite simply
> wrong.
>
> Are you describing a v3 DS? DS is at v11 and for many years has had a
> 32 bit 3D keyer as good as anything out there, a stunning 32 bit Linear
> Keyer, plus Keylight and Primatte available as plugins.
>
> There are many reasons DS didn't sell, the vast majority of which can be
> laid clearly at Avid's door, but 'poor keying' certainly isn't one of them.
>
> DS is (was) also a fraction of the cost of a Flame.
>
> Tony
>
>
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