"Offline Media" messages in the Avid, because I am not using the Avid to link up to the media. I am using the metadata in the Avid Sequence and passing that along using an AAF and an EDL to Resolve ver 9. I use an AAF and an EDL to link up a 42 minute show or Movie using the Resolve, not the Avid.
So yes, you are right I am using an EDL to pull all of the camera masters into the media pool. I want to use the Avid metadata that is already populated in the "Tape" name column to pull the camera masters into the Resolve media pool. I then use that same Avid "Tape" name metadata and use that with an AAF or EDL to create a linked timeline to the media pool.
The "Tape" name column in the Avid is always an exact name match to the "Source" icon name.("Source File" column can differ from the "Source" icon name, and Video Mixdowns appear differently in the Avid).
The Avid can take more then a few steps to link to new file masters. Plus, AMA will randomly unlink clips, and on playback the Avid might not tell me an error happened like stuttered/repeated frames. That is why I found that Resolve 7,8,9 can conform just using the given metadata that is populated in the "Tape" name column in the Avid. And like I said in the Avid the "Tape" name column is always an exact match as the "Source" icon name, with the exception of how video mixdowns appear in a bin.
I am trying to unearth every detail from this AAF roundtrip world. I keep talking to people about the problems they are having with workflows and I am trying to help make using the Avid and Resolve a reality for those that want to use both together.
If, in the Avid, the File>Import command is used or AMA is done, then a different metadata name column story happens.
Here are just some of the many examples that I could come up with:
If:
File>Import is used
Then:
"Source File" column will be populated with "source_file.mov"
"Source" icon name will be populated with "source_file.mov" - note the suffix in the name
If:
AMA is used
Then:
"Source File" column will be populated with "source_file.mov"
"Source" icon name will be populated with "source_file" - note the missing suffix
If:
AMA is used and then the Avid transcodes and converts framerate of the file
Then:
"Source File" column will be populated with "source_file.mov"
"Source" icon name will be populated with "source_file.mov" - note the suffix in the name
If:
Digital Dailies were done on a third party system and was done by extracting the embedded tape name in the source file and using that as the "Tape" name (The Resolve calls this "Reel No")
Then:
In an Avid Bin under the "Tape" name column you will have the embedded "Tape" name.
This "Tape" name column in the Bin came from where?
Most likely got into the Avid by first importing an ALE and relinking or, batch importing (by the way if you batch import, the Avid ignores all metadata from the file selected on the hard drive. The Avid just basically during a batch import just trusts the file you choose and or the name of the surrounding files in that folder and just merges that info)
- so far I have not seen a file by default have an embedded metadata tape name that contained a suffix in that name. That would be like saying add to the 16 character RED name the _001.r3d and embedd that as the "Tape" name.
So, I noticed that if I wanted to Export an AAF for Resolve 9, why should I have to have media online and then create the AAF? Major gotcha!!! That is why I discovered if I have a "Source" icon in the Avid that has a suffix appended to the name then the Resolve will allow me to export an AAF with media offline, and this AAF will work. Versus an AAF that has metadata that will never link to essence.
I am just pointing this out. It is up to the user to do what they do with this information.
The Avid by default uses these "Source" icon names associated with each clip as the metadata that an EDL would call "Tape or File Name" basically the same for an AAF.
I use 4K and 5K sources as the masters that I load into the Media Pool using an EDL. I then use either an EDL or an AAF to create the Resolve timeline that links to the masters.
As far as the preference in Resolve "Extract reel names from EDL comments" goes and Avid EDLS. With the Resolve, I have heard and read that, that preference is for Final Cut Pro EDL Comments only. I have only seen the Avid be able to add comments to an EDL by using segment mode and clicking a segment and then going to the drop down menu over the record monitor and choosing "Add Comments..." and then in the EDL Manager "Windows>Options" then go to "comments tab" and activate by putting a check mark next to "Comments". I have never seen the Resolve able to use Avid comments from an EDL as Reel Numbers.
I hope this is helpful
Scott Freeman
(818) 657-9490
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
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> What I don't understand is that you mention "offline media" flags in Avid. If it is offline in Avid then it will be offline in the aaf sent to Resolve from my experience. I can see how using the EDL using the Reel Names from comments will link to the embedded Reel Names in Red Epic and I assume other file types so in that case the offine media in the Avid timeline would not be an issue. You mention adding suffixes to the source icons, what type of characters do you use for the suffixes? I routinely add suffixes to clip names in Avid to facilitate the relational color correction based on clip name. Can you elaborate on what exactly is it about the suffixes added to the source Icon helps in the linking process? I know in the past you have posted that the Avid aaf uses the source icon name in its' linking process when it's sent to Resolve. Are the suffixes you add a way of avoiding redundant or duplicate source icon names for multiple source clips that maybe come from the same long original clip?
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scott_freeman_avid" <scott_freeman_avid@> wrote:
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> > to be clear my goal here is to explain that the Resolve can pull all the files for an Avid Symphony Online Session. So instead of using a vault to get all of the tapes, I am using the Resolve as the digital ready vault for the Avid Symphony
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> > - scott freeman
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> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scott_freeman_avid" <scott_freeman_avid@> wrote:
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> > > fun. I love this stuff. I use AAF as the sequence metadata vehicle from Avid to the Resolve. I then easily and painlessly use Resolve 9 as the tool to link metadata to essence.
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> > > I use the Avid to look at metadata only and then export the AAF and EDL - this is my first step for online conforms!!!
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> > > My second step is to Launch Resolve 9. I use an EDL to automatically dive down tons of folders and find all of the camera master sources/effect master sources - filling in the Resolve 9 media pool in under 11 minutes per 42 minute show.
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> > > My third step is to go to the "CONFORM" Suite and then import the AAF or EDL to the Resolve 9 timeline.
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> > > I am trying to help you and everyone understand that there are other methods of working with the Avid and Resolve 9. And if using Resolve 7,8,9 properly one can aquire a ton of files in 11 minutes and one can choose to then color using Avid Symphony or Resolve.
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> > > Scott D. Freeman
> > > (818)657-9490
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> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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> > > > I'm confused if I have an avid sequence that has media offline in it I wouldn't expect an aaf exported from Avid to Resolve to suddenly find media that was offline in the first place in Avid. I do know that when I've got a sequence in Avid and I've linked all the Red Raw files through ama and linked the sequence to them by adding a tape name the resulting aaf from Avid to Resolve will link to the Red Raw files in Resolve without using Reel Names to assist. But if I haven't linked to ama the Red Raw and relinked the sequence in Avid the aaf won't work. This is a dicey pain in the arse because on the project I've been banging on the ama linked Red Epic Files would not automatically relink ama the next time the project was launched so each time I started the Avid Project I would have to manually relink by ama volume each of the Red Epic Raw volumes and go through all the Avid relinking steps to export an aaf to Resolve that would know to link to the Red Raw files.
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> > > > Also when you add a suffix what kind of suffix do you add? Is it like a .new01 thing or something completely different?
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> > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scott_freeman_avid" <scott_freeman_avid@> wrote:
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> > > > > The DaVinci Resolve 9 exhibits a non-working linking situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have an Avid with "Media Offline" messages and you then export an AAF with "Source" icons that do not have a suffix in their name. The AAF is useless. This AAF will never link to the media pool.
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> > > > > I am so happy to discover this so I can have complete control over my AAF export and Resolve 9. I suspect this is a Resolve 9 issue only.
> > > > >
> > > > > - scott freeman
> > > > > (818) 657-9490
> > > > > I love this stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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> > > > > > So you have an avid timeline that all the media is online and you export an aaf with it linked to media not embedded then when you import that aaf into Resolve 9 you have some of the sequence offline. Am I understanding this correctly so far? By "Orphaned Container Metadata" do you mean that there are clips in the media pool that don't have media linked to them. Are these clips that were generated automatically when importing the aaf or are they from populating the media pool with media before importing the aaf? Are the missing clips stills or some sort of media type that differs from the other clips that are working? I've notice things like stills a wonky including color bars. My guess for the stills is that Avid only generates one frame of media and then uses flags in Avid to let it appear to have a longer duration. When this media is imported into Resolves media pool there is only one valid frame of essence so the first frame of color bars is there but the rest of the say 30 second clip is black.
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> > > > > > The solution of adding a suffix to the source icon name is done before exporting the aaf from Avid if I follow your proceedure. Fun stuff as always.
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> > > > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scott_freeman_avid" <scott_freeman_avid@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > well, I am getting closer with understanding this Resolve 9 timeline with orphan container metadata that will not link to essence (the media pool) in Resolve 9 using an AAF that was created when the metadata was not linking to essence (media offline messages in the Avid). It turns out that if you have clips that do not have a suffix in the name of the "Source" icon, then the above it true. I have discovered by adding a suffix to the "Source" icon name in the Avid before creating AAFs will avoid the Resolve 9 orphan container activity. I still need to figure out why "Source" icon names that do not contain a suffix exhibit this metadata that will not link to essence in Resolve 9 using an AAF.
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> > > > > > > - scott freeman
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