Re: [Avid-L2] Re: QT exported from Avid 1080i/59.94 project and Audio says Frame Rate doesn't match AAF?

You may also have better luck (particularly with the TC burn in losing or
missing frames) if your H.264 encodes are Keyframes: ALL and Frame
Reordering: OFF.


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I've been using QT Pro to deliver all my file based masters on an SD
> series and I've had no issue but that doesn't negate you comments because
> I'm using save as self contained on those. I use QT Pro 7 because it reads
> the time code burn in put in by QT change. I use to use Sorenson 4.5 for
> the same kind of things but later versions stopped recognizing the Time
> Code burn in from QT change. It was frustrating but even though in the
> interface window the TC burn in showed up upon export it was either black
> or no TC burn in I can't remember which by my bet would be it came out
> black. Unfortunately I can't install Sorenson 4.5 on newer OS systems
> because the installer is legacy. I'd bet if it was already installed on an
> older startup drive and I upgraded the OS on that disk it might work but I
> haven't had the time to try that.
>
> I will keep your QT comments in mind in the future. Primarily I do this
> for screening copies that aren't going to be used in a critical metadata
> situation.
>
> One other possibility is that the protools operator was judging sync drift
> by the QT change TC burn in. I've noticed in my drop frame NTSC world the
> burn in will sometimes be a frame or maybe 2 frames off at any given frame
> relative to the QT time code track. This happens with time code that was
> created in the Avid export and also with time code later added by QT
> change. The burn in offset is not cumulative so it's not a drift. I would
> think it has to do with the QT underpinnings and how the time code text
> track is generated. For screening purposes it's fine and saves a ton of
> render time.
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Mark Spano <cutandcover@...> wrote:
> >
> > You can't conform anything in Cinema Tools if it is GOP which H.264 is,
> so
> > forget that. Here is your problem:
> >
> > "exported the QT ref movie using QT Pro 7.6.6 to an H.264"
> >
> > QuickTime Pro exports are notoriously bad at preserving proper metadata
> > like Constant FPS and usually default to Average FPS which doesn't make
> any
> > sense to any other application other than QuickTime Player. I would do
> this
> > export in Compressor - always preserves proper metadata. No Compressor,
> > then maybe Streamclip, which allows you to bake in the metadata in the
> > export dialog.
> >
> > I never use QuickTime Player Pro to export anything. Ever. It is so bad
> at
> > so many things and most of those are in its exporter. QuickTime Pro is
> > great for Save As, and that's about it.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, John Pale <pale.edit@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds like corrupt QT metadata. You can fix this with Cinema Tools, if
> > > you have it. Open the file.. Use the conform feature and set it to
> 29.97.
> > > Since the file already is 29.97, it won't actually do anything but fix
> the
> > > metadata. The change is instantaneous, no rendering or re-encoding.
> > >
> > > You might be able to do it with QTchange as well, but I've never
> attempted
> > > it with that program.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2013, John Moore wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So as if the file based world hasn't boned me enough today I get one
> last
> > > > red hot poker. The show I'm onlining at home I exported a QT ref from
> > > > Avid. I then use QT change to add a TC burn in. Finally I exported
> the
> > > QT
> > > > ref movie using QT Pro 7.6.6 to an H.264 and I guess my setting for
> fps
> > > was
> > > > set to current or matching the source. Now the QT Plays fine and the
> TC
> > > > burn in matches the time code I added back using QT Change. The music
> > > > audio house is complaining the movie file fps doesn't match the AAF
> which
> > > > is 29.97 drop. Some how the audio guy is saying the .mov is 76.85
> which
> > > I
> > > > know can't be right. Now I've never bothered to think about this
> before
> > > as
> > > > it's never been an issue. I know 1080i/59.94 is equivalent to 29.97
> > > frames
> > > > per second. So assuming the audio house is using protools why would
> the
> > > qT
> > > > that shows info as 59.60 fps, which I assume is the typical QT
> inaccurate
> > > > fps , be an issue to slave with the aaf at 29.97? I'm currently
> > > > redoing my QT export only this time I set the frame rate to 29.97. Is
> > > the
> > > > audio house in error about this or do I always have to export a
> 29.97 QT
> > > to
> > > > match the aaf frame rate. And why is the aaf 29.97 when the sequence
> is
> > > > 59.94. Man I feel like everything I know is wrong today and today's
> only
> > > > Monday.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John Moore
> > > > Barking Trout Productions
> > > > Studio City, CA
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