This IS the Avid L2: RE: [Avid-L2] Re: what are yall using to archive

Tuesday, January 22, 2013

RE: [Avid-L2] Re: what are yall using to archive

I think you need proxies and an archive on something like Quantum SNMS
for that sort of thing. Their software anticipates the rolling hardware
format changes and will move the data from (say) LTO3 to 4 to 5 to 6
within the library. The proxy and the stub file mean you can view it for
any suddenly famous interns and find and retrieve it when you need it
but the software and the library take care it is on currently supported
hardware.

As for what file format to store it in? For now it looks like J2K
500MB/s IMF style MXF is the way people are looking.

You say that about film but I can take you to the National Film Archive
where they have film made from paper with sprockets down the middle and
not many people can get the images off that....

Rupert Watson

+44 7787 554 801

www.root6.com

From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Terence Curren
Sent: 22 January 2013 18:02
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: what are yall using to archive

Hi Rupert,

I would like something at least as enduring as properly stored film. We
can still scan (or hold up to the light and see) 100 year old films. I
can't read a floppy disc I made 6 years ago.

While post houses haven't traditionally been in that business, clients
traditionally had videotape or film archives. Now that everything is
shot file based, how do you economically protect that footage for
possible use 15 years from now.

Bear in mind that footage may be worthless, as most is. On the other
hand, it could be a special behind the scenes moment of someone who goes
on to become famous and beloved and suddenly dies tragic death rendering
that footage near invaluable. So it can't be expensive or difficult to
archive as most will be a waste. But the opportunity to preserve it all
so that special little bit of footage also survives is important.

Ease, low cost, and guaranteed to be recoverable in 20 years regardless
of what happens to computers (they won't exist), standards (current ones
will all be gone by then) and environment (tape rot, discs dying, etc.)

BluRay has the most potential I see at the moment. It should last longer
than tape if what Sony says is true. But being able to read that BluRay
in 30 years is anything BUT guaranteed.

And so the debate, and quest continues. (If you're rich, archive to film
and store it in a salt mine)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ,
"Rupert Watson" wrote:
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> Terry
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> What is on your wish list that the vendors have not provided?
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> And did you mean archiving or backup? They are different beasts. Is a
> post house really in the business of archiving? Do you have customers
> who will pay you for that?
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> Rupert Watson
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> +44 7787 554 801
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> www.root6.com
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> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf
> Of Terence Curren
> Sent: 22 January 2013 16:23
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: what are yall using to archive
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> Every year we hold a PreNAB Editors' Lounge panel. (this will be our
> 10th year) we have a panel that prognosticates, kvetches, wishes for
new
> things, etc. And for at least the last 5 years, one of the main
subjects
> that comes up has been archiving. And every year we all agree that
there
> isn't an ideal solution in place yet. I anticipate the same this year.
>
> How can such a potentially huge market go so unanswered?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ,
> "pat_adc" wrote:
> >
> > Yes we've avoided Blu-ray as Archives. DVD-Rs were never that stable
> so no reason to think BD-R would be much better.
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> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Terence Curren" wrote:
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> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
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> mike cardeiro wrote:
> > >
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> > > "I hate it when companies make claims like this. Blue ray hasn't
> been around long enough for them to know how it holds up after 10
years.
> 50 years? puh-leze."
> > >
> > > Same thing I always give them a hard time about. Basically, they
use
> a testing rig that simulates passage of time by exposing to extremes.
> > >
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