Re: [Avid-L2] Double System sound

I'm with Bouke... If there's matching timecode, what the heck is the problem?

You can create an autosync'd clip, matching the video and audio files together into a single file. No need for PluralEyes. This is a function inside of Avid. All you have to do is select the audio file and the video file that are supposed to match (via timecode) select one of them, comd/control-click the other file and choose AutoSync from the Bin menu and Bob's your Uncle. The two clips are magically joined as if you'd recorded them together. WAY easier than PluralEyes... but PluralEyes is NOT for when you have matching timecode anyway. Use AutoSync. This is how features do dailies. Even if you don't have matching timecode, you can still use AutoSync... you just have to find some other way to match (which is what PluralEyes helps with)... But if you slate your takes so that there's a visual cue in the video and an audio cue in the audio, then you can match the two together by placing an inpoint on the cue in both the audio and video file and using the InPoint option in AutoSync. You can do this without a slate if you can find a matching sound in each clip and placing inpoints there.... That's kind of what PluralEyes is doing for you automatically... It all depends on how many of these clips you have to sync... PluralEyes will definitely help if there are a lot of them... Otherwise, you're almost better off doing it manually for just a few clips.

I thought the PluralEyes workflow was a little weird (and time intensive) because it basically syncs stuff up in an Avid timeline, not really creating an actual synced CLIP. You have to subclip the synced clips, creating subsequences, that you then edit with. Of course, if you leave them as subsequences, most likely if you double click on them, they don't go to the Source window like a typical clip would, they go to the SEQUENCE window... Annoying. So you then either have to generate a clip from the subsequence or always remember to drag the subsequence to the source monitor... That's a LOT of steps just to have synced audio.

Also, if you do this with a 5D, the 5Ds internal audio is off by enough that the PluralEyes matches the "good" audio with the un-sync'd BAD audio, so it really doesn't do you any good... you need to match the VIDEO in the video to the AUDIO in the audio... PluralEyes matches audio to audio... so if the original audio is slightly out of sync (on the 5D this is regularly), then you haven't helped yourself at all.


Steve Hullfish
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On Sep 22, 2012, at 5:15 AM, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

> Jeez, i cannot imagine why NOT to import sound.
> And i'm truely amazed people recommend PluralEyes when there is common
> timecode!
>
> personally i'm not a big fan of Pluraleyes. Great under lab conditions, but
> in (my) real life, it's dog slow and makes a lot of mistakes.
> (or fails alltogether)
>
> So, my way of dealing with a mess of non-common TC (after kicking the
> client...)
> Even if there isn't a lock, there is always free run TC, or even file
> creation time / date.
>
> Autosequence sound and video based on that, put them into one timeline,
> shift the entire audio shebang to match one clip and the rest will match as
> well.
> (not exactly, but you're very close.)
>
> Faster than Pluraleyes, not a lot of room for error.
>
> Bouke
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ksirul" <kenavid2@glueedit.com>
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:01 PM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Double System sound
>
> Thanks. I imported the audio files and not AMA.
>
> KEN
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Not sure if you're doing that or not, but make sure you don't use AMA for
> > bringing in the sound files. Traditional import takes TC and other
> > metadata from the BWAV's BEXT chunk, but if you AMA BWAV files, you are
> > relying on whatever timecode QuickTime player decides to supply you with.
> > And we all know what a great piece of software QuickTime is. Or, to
> > paraphrase Terry, friends don't let friends rely on QuickTime for
> > anything.
> >
> > J
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Sep 21, 2012, at 22:08, "ksirul" <kenavid2@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Just checked. TC matches both cam and audio and there is in fact ref
> > > audio on F3 footage. Thanks
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jim Feeley <jfeeley@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> How did they send TC to the F3? In my experience, the F3's clock isn't
> > >> so stable. I'll assume the source TC from audio is stable. If they
> > >> stuck a lockit or similar tc generator on the camera and left it there,
> > >> then you're probably in good shape. If they just jammed directly to the
> > >> camera in the morning and then after lunch, then camera TC might wander
> > >> a bit after a while. If they were relying on the F3's clock, you may
> > >> need to do some visual syncing with later takes. Or not...kind of a
> > >> crap shoot, ime.
> > >>
> > >> Good luck,
> > >>
> > >> Jim Feeley
> > >> jfeeley@
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sep 21, 2012, at 11:48 AM, ksirul wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> No audio on F3. I'm hoping TC matches!
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Breuer" <tonybreuer@> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hopefully the cameraman left the camera mic on. I recently had a
> > >>>> whole scene in a movie to cut where the cameraman didn't record any
> > >>>> audio on the F3. His response was, "Why should I. The sound guy
> > >>>> recorded it. Use Plural Eyes".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Now as editors we are expected to be able to read lips.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "ksirul" <kenavid2@> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hmm, these are both good ideas, especially since I can download a 30
> > >>>>> day trial of Plural Eyes and be done with it. Any benefit over one
> > >>>>> or the other?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KEN
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Marcus <gen@> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Group clips by time code.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Marcus
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: ksirul
> > >>>>>> Sent: 21/09/2012 19:02
> > >>>>>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>>> Subject: [Avid-L2] Double System sound
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I have not needed to do this before but here we go. I got some F3
> > >>>>>> interviews with sound recorded on an external sound device. I
> > >>>>>> planned on AMAing the footage into MC6.0.1 for editing. What is the
> > >>>>>> best way to marry the sound and pix? I believe it has matching time
> > >>>>>> code. I may also need to be able to link back to the original F3
> > >>>>>> material. What can I do? Metafuze? Something else?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> KEN
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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