Re: [Avid-L2] OT: Re: Editors, AE's picket, win union contract, benefits-NOW-suitable topics for an international list

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On Aug 29, 2012, at 10:17 PM, John McClary <johnnyq_@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Shirley :)
>
> (I love the obscure workflow threads....)
>
>
> John McClary
>
> ________________________________
> From: Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@aol.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] OT: Re: Editors, AE's picket, win union contract, benefits-NOW-suitable topics for an international list
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>
> Hi John,
>
> If perchance you consent to read this, I would like to point out that there are lots of topics on this list that might not interest a given member of that list. I find a way to navigate past the obscure workflows and various off topic postings, and I think anyone who can read a subject line can do the same. If we tried to bust the postings back to the lowest common denominator of what everyone finds relevant, I think the list would be poorer for it.
>
> Best,
> Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John McClary <johnnyq_@yahoo.com>
> To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 10:49 am
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] OT: Re: Editors, AE's picket, win union contract, benefits
>
> As an international list, there are many here who don't have any interest in the
> contract negotiation of LA unions. Except as it relates to production flight to
> other locales.
>
> (sorry, I tried to ignore it but with this many posts I had to see what the
> discussion was about....)
>
> John McClary
>
> ________________________________
> From: oliverpetersvidy <oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:08 AM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] OT: Re: Editors, AE's picket, win union contract, benefits
>
> > Tony Breuer wrote:
> > Now all of a sudden this has turned into group
> > therapy and none of us are qualified therapists.
> > Except maybe Terry Curren. Job, Oliver and Steve Hullfish. ;-)
>
> Thanks, for the promotion ;-) Do I get a raise now? ;-)
>
> Putting on the therapist hat.... I think the reason these things spin out of
> control is that the issue has a lot of "baggage" associated with it. Union
> contracts are very hard to separate from general attitudes on the subject, based
> on personal political beliefs. So, it's hard to even start from a neutral POV.
> Second, many here on the list have had polarizing experiences with unions. In
> some cases, they've had a very positive impact on individuals and in others,
> members have been direct victims of the worst tactics of the unions. It becomes
> a touchy subject, no matter what.
>
> In a much more practical sense, this is largely an LA (and to a much lesser
> extent NY) issue. If you are outside of these two centers, the MPEG is
> irrelevant. Mainly because you would never accrue enough qualifying hours to
> make it worthwhile to be a member . I know plenty of IATSE film production crew
> folks in Florida and they frequently work non-union, simply because there aren't
> enough union jobs available to them. This is in spite of the fact that the union
> threatens them with not being sent further union work for doing so. It's a bone
> of contention for them.
>
> Although work conditions are a valid discussion point, just understand that
> arguing about things related to MPEG specifically have very little meaning to
> anyone outside of LA. Even there, only for the folks working on TV shows and
> films.
>
> - Oliver
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