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Re: Avid effects quandry From: Terence Curren

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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Steve Hullfish
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: timmangini
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Shirley Gutierrez
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: bouke
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Steve Hullfish
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Steve Hullfish
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Jeff Kreines
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Shirley Gutierrez
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Craig Rutledge
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Gary Berendsen
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: John Beck
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Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs? From: Tom McDonnell

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Re: OT: MC and Activity Monitor From: Dan McCabe

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Re: .desc files ? MC 6 dnxhd Alexa blabla From: tofuelly

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Avid and ProRes - no transcode From: Jeff Hedberg
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Bizarre video card identity crisis From: Steve Hullfish
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Re: Bizarre video card identity crisis From: Gary Berendsen

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Re: Autodesk Smoke Trial From: Terence Curren
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Posted by: "Terence Curren" tcurren@aol.com <mailto:tcurren@aol.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Avid%20effects%20quandry> avid_curren <http://profiles.yahoo.com/avid_curren>
Tue May 22, 2012 5:11 am (PDT)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "jesseg132001" <jesseg132001@...> wrote:

<<1) How do I apply the effects & transitions to the stills without effecting the background layer?>>

You want a multilayer effect vs. a segment effect. Picture in Picture, 3D warp and Titles are examples of this.

"2) Is there a way to apply all 3 effects at once, or even better to a range?"

You need to "Nest" the effects to add three to the shot. This is done by holding down a modifier key (alt or option) as you drag additional effects to the shot.

For applying across a range, you either use "Add Edits" on an upper track and drop the effect on the empty area.

Or shift select all the shots you want while in effects mode and then double click the effect you want to apply, this only works for one effect, not stacking.

Or select all the shots, and while holding the option or alt key, double click on the effect you want and that will create a :nest" with all the shots inside and the effect on top of all of them. It's essentially the same thing as the first method above but keeps it all in one track in the timeline.

for Sapphire specifically, I highly recommend the free Sapphire for Avid book found here:
<<http://www.genarts.com/sites/default/files/avid-book/GenArts_SapAvidv2-Book.pdf>>

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Posted by: "Steve Hullfish" steve4lists@veralith.com <mailto:steve4lists@veralith.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20PBS%20Safe%20Action%2FSafe%20Title%20Specs%3F> shullfish <http://profiles.yahoo.com/shullfish>
Tue May 22, 2012 7:14 am (PDT)

I certainly understand that other networks require different specs, I was just checking on the validity of the PBS specs. They make sense to me. Obviously, there are "legacy" TVs out there still.... I say "Screw THEM!"

There is no more hateful design aesthetic to me than a 16:9 screen with 4:3 safe title titles. :-)

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"

On May 22, 2012, at 3:38 AM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title would look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles 4x3 safe. ;-)

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Posted by: "timmangini" tim_mangini@wgbh.org <mailto:tim_mangini@wgbh.org?Subject=%20Re%3A%20PBS%20Safe%20Action%2FSafe%20Title%20Specs%3F> timmangini <http://profiles.yahoo.com/timmangini>
Tue May 22, 2012 7:34 am (PDT)

During the early period after the digital transition we rebelled against the "4x3 safe inside 16x9" sentiment that was prevalent at PBS and elsewhere in the industry. We felt that we had been given a wider canvas for a reason and we should use it. If viewers missed something then perhaps it would motivate them to upgrade their 4x3 sets or call their local stations and demand to get letterbox in SD instead of center-crop. As we educated ourselves we decided we had to adapt. Stations often were sending out the correct signal to the head-end (cable/sat) providers, but although specific instructions had been given, there was no rule that forced them to transmit the full raster, so they did whatever they wanted. The result was a dog's breakfast of formats reaching the home, from bread-box 4x3 to blown up letterbox with the sides cut-off, etc.. With that mix came viewer complaints. At PBS unhappy viewers are non-contributing viewers. Keep in mind that local stations pay PBS directly for the national programming they broadcast. As a consequence, if stations feel they are potentially losing revenue, they let PBS know. And PBS lets the producer know. Two years in a row the PBS technical conference was very contentious over this issue and we took serious heat for our position.

Here at FRONTLINE we created an internal spec that tries to accommodate as many interests as possible. DP's are free to use the full raster, keeping in mind 16x9 action safe for most imagery. Interview subjects can be placed at the edge of the 16x9 action area as long as their eyes will not be cut off by 4x3 action safe. Any information that is "critical to understanding the program" like main titles, subtitles or graphics, uses a "4x3 action-safe inside 16x9" guideline. We chose 4x3 action because we feel 4x3 title is just way too restrictive. After looking at several 4x3 sets we found that most of the time all of action safe was viewable. Lower thirds are placed so that non-critical information, like the FL logo on the left side, can fall outside of the 4x3 action area as long as the name of the subject is inside. This widens the perception of the ID to look like it is using more of the frame while making sure the critical data gets to every viewer. Since adopting these general rules viewer complaints have dropped to zero and our stations are much happier.

Looking forward to the time when the wider adoption of AFD in the broadcast chain and incorporation of AFD in all set-top boxes means we no longer have play these games.

Tim Mangini
Director of Broadcast
FRONTLINE

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title would look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles 4x3 safe. ;-)
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
> >
> > So, my results - on three different size of screens - 60", 50" and 48" LCDs from higher end Sony consumer sets and lower end Seiki set is that all of them are cropped VERY slightly. None show the full 100% raster but ALL show a good deal of the 95%.
> >
> > 93% on ALL of the sets was easily viewable.
> >
> > Basically, I made a 1920x1080 file in Photoshop. Then made four different colored boxes. 100% of raster was colored red, 95% of raster was blue, 93% of raster was green, 90% was yellow and 80% was cyan.
> >
> > As I mentioned, I could see a red border (100% to 95%) on all of the sets, fed as HDMI straight from a video card.
> >
> > Using anything tighter than 90% on these screens would look silly I think. Using 80% as title safe on HD would seem like the designer had screwed up. 90% looks about right for title safe on all of them. I would be completely comfortable with 93% for safe title. I'm shocked at myself for never trying to test this before. I have always used 80% as safe title. Indeed, the Photoshop template for HD is 80% safe title. My eyes have been opened.
> >
> > This is JUST a test with the four HD consumer sets that I have in my office. All were bought last December. I'd love to see whether others have the same results. Maybe burn a test to bluray and play it at home.
> >
> >
> > Steve Hullfish
> > contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> > author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> >
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Posted by: "Shirley Gutierrez" guanacaa@aol.com <mailto:guanacaa@aol.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20PBS%20Safe%20Action%2FSafe%20Title%20Specs%3F> guanacaa <http://profiles.yahoo.com/guanacaa>
Tue May 22, 2012 7:38 am (PDT)

There is no more hateful design aesthetic to me than a 16:9 screen with 4:3 safe
title titles. :-)

Hear hear! I'm now actually having to deliver an HD show in 4:3, and in general, I can't wait to see this aspect ratio go the hell away.

Shirley

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From: Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com<mailto:steve4lists%40veralith.com>>
To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 7:15 am
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs?

I certainly understand that other networks require different specs, I was just
checking on the validity of the PBS specs. They make sense to me. Obviously,
there are "legacy" TVs out there still.... I say "Screw THEM!"

There is no more hateful design aesthetic to me than a 16:9 screen with 4:3 safe
title titles. :-)

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"

On May 22, 2012, at 3:38 AM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows
require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows
and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts
but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is
relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a
full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title would
look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles 4x3
safe. ;-)

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Posted by: "bouke" bouke@editb.nl <mailto:bouke@editb.nl?Subject=%20Re%3A%20PBS%20Safe%20Action%2FSafe%20Title%20Specs%3F> videotoolshed <http://profiles.yahoo.com/videotoolshed>
Tue May 22, 2012 7:46 am (PDT)

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From: "Shirley Gutierrez" <guanacaa@aol.com<mailto:guanacaa%40aol.com>>

> Hear hear! I'm now actually having to deliver an HD show in 4:3, and in
> general, I can't wait to see this aspect ratio go the hell away.
>
Be careful what you wish for, with that you will destroy a tremendous amount
of classic movies...

Bouke

VideoToolShed
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS NIJMEGEN
The Netherlands
+31 24 3553311
www.videotoolshed.com

> Shirley
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com<mailto:steve4lists%40veralith.com>>
> To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 7:15 am
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs?
>
>
> I certainly understand that other networks require different specs, I was
> just
> checking on the validity of the PBS specs. They make sense to me.
> Obviously,
> there are "legacy" TVs out there still.... I say "Screw THEM!"
>
> There is no more hateful design aesthetic to me than a 16:9 screen with
> 4:3 safe
> title titles. :-)
>
> Steve Hullfish
> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 3:38 AM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows
> require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network
> shows
> and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center
> Cuts
> but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is
> relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop
> and a
> full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title
> would
> look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles
> 4x3
> safe. ;-)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Tue May 22, 2012 8:35 am (PDT)

Love the thought process behind this Tim. Very intelligent design and content wise. Form follows function.

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"

On May 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM, timmangini wrote:

> During the early period after the digital transition we rebelled against the "4x3 safe inside 16x9" sentiment that was prevalent at PBS and elsewhere in the industry. We felt that we had been given a wider canvas for a reason and we should use it. If viewers missed something then perhaps it would motivate them to upgrade their 4x3 sets or call their local stations and demand to get letterbox in SD instead of center-crop. As we educated ourselves we decided we had to adapt. Stations often were sending out the correct signal to the head-end (cable/sat) providers, but although specific instructions had been given, there was no rule that forced them to transmit the full raster, so they did whatever they wanted. The result was a dog's breakfast of formats reaching the home, from bread-box 4x3 to blown up letterbox with the sides cut-off, etc.. With that mix came viewer complaints. At PBS unhappy viewers are non-contributing viewers. Keep in mind that local stations pay PBS directly for the national programming they broadcast. As a consequence, if stations feel they are potentially losing revenue, they let PBS know. And PBS lets the producer know. Two years in a row the PBS technical conference was very contentious over this issue and we took serious heat for our position.
>
> Here at FRONTLINE we created an internal spec that tries to accommodate as many interests as possible. DP's are free to use the full raster, keeping in mind 16x9 action safe for most imagery. Interview subjects can be placed at the edge of the 16x9 action area as long as their eyes will not be cut off by 4x3 action safe. Any information that is "critical to understanding the program" like main titles, subtitles or graphics, uses a "4x3 action-safe inside 16x9" guideline. We chose 4x3 action because we feel 4x3 title is just way too restrictive. After looking at several 4x3 sets we found that most of the time all of action safe was viewable. Lower thirds are placed so that non-critical information, like the FL logo on the left side, can fall outside of the 4x3 action area as long as the name of the subject is inside. This widens the perception of the ID to look like it is using more of the frame while making sure the critical data gets to every viewer. Since adopting these general rules viewer complaints have dropped to zero and our stations are much happier.
>
> Looking forward to the time when the wider adoption of AFD in the broadcast chain and incorporation of AFD in all set-top boxes means we no longer have play these games.
>
> Tim Mangini
> Director of Broadcast
> FRONTLINE
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title would look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles 4x3 safe. ;-)
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So, my results - on three different size of screens - 60", 50" and 48" LCDs from higher end Sony consumer sets and lower end Seiki set is that all of them are cropped VERY slightly. None show the full 100% raster but ALL show a good deal of the 95%.
> > >
> > > 93% on ALL of the sets was easily viewable.
> > >
> > > Basically, I made a 1920x1080 file in Photoshop. Then made four different colored boxes. 100% of raster was colored red, 95% of raster was blue, 93% of raster was green, 90% was yellow and 80% was cyan.
> > >
> > > As I mentioned, I could see a red border (100% to 95%) on all of the sets, fed as HDMI straight from a video card.
> > >
> > > Using anything tighter than 90% on these screens would look silly I think. Using 80% as title safe on HD would seem like the designer had screwed up. 90% looks about right for title safe on all of them. I would be completely comfortable with 93% for safe title. I'm shocked at myself for never trying to test this before. I have always used 80% as safe title. Indeed, the Photoshop template for HD is 80% safe title. My eyes have been opened.
> > >
> > > This is JUST a test with the four HD consumer sets that I have in my office. All were bought last December. I'd love to see whether others have the same results. Maybe burn a test to bluray and play it at home.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Hullfish
> > > contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> > > author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> > >
> >
>
>

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Tue May 22, 2012 8:37 am (PDT)

Good point Bouke, but I think those are obvious exceptions. Classic movies that were CREATED in a specific aspect ratio should be shown that way. My original point was just that 4:3 TITLES inside 16:9 space looks ugly. A movie that was shot in 4:3 or something similar is a different story.

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Tue May 22, 2012 11:28 am (PDT)

This has been an ongoing problem in Alabama. While Alabama Public Television sends 16x9 to our cable company most of the time, some shows, like Lawrence Welk (!) are 4x3, so the cable company has decided everything gets sent out 4x3 on the SD feed. (On the rare occasions I watch PBS I usually DVR it, and HD eats up too much disk space.) Lawrence Welk rules us from the grave!

That's bad enough, but the PBS's idiotic insistence on forcing archival material to be cropped to 16:9 (rather than being pillarboxed) leads to double cropping of old footage. This is unacceptable.

It is especially bad in programs about artists. My favorite example is an execrable American Masters show by one of the Burns Brothers. Whatever you think of Warhol, he knew what a frame was -- if your films often have 33-minute takes the frame is significant. But this Burns fellow decided he had a better sense of framing than his subject, and cropped all of the Warhol film clips (originally 4x3) to 16x9. This worked especially well in a film that had three characters, each placed in a corner of the frame -- one of them was lost on PBS.

American Masters indeed.

Jeff "boycotting PBS since the days of Larry Grossman" Kreines

On May 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "timmangini" <tim_mangini@wgbh.org<mailto:tim_mangini%40wgbh.org>> wrote:

> During the early period after the digital transition we rebelled against the "4x3 safe inside 16x9" sentiment that was prevalent at PBS and elsewhere in the industry. We felt that we had been given a wider canvas for a reason and we should use it. If viewers missed something then perhaps it would motivate them to upgrade their 4x3 sets or call their local stations and demand to get letterbox in SD instead of center-crop. As we educated ourselves we decided we had to adapt. Stations often were sending out the correct signal to the head-end (cable/sat) provider, but although specific instructions had been given, there was no rule that forced them to transmit the full raster, so they did whatever they wanted. The result was a dog's breakfast of formats reaching the home, from bread-box 4x3 to blown up letterbox with the sides cut-off, etc.. With that mix came viewer complaints. At PBS unhappy viewers are non-contributing viewers. Keep in mind that local stations pay PBS directly for the national programming they broadcast. As a consequence, if stations feel they are potentially losing revenue, they let PBS know. And PBS lets the producer know. Two years in a row the PBS technical conference was very contentious over this issue and we took serious heat for our position.
>
> Here at FRONTLINE we created an internal spec that tries to accommodate as many interests as possible. DP's are free to use the full raster, keeping in mind 16x9 action safe for most imagery. Interview subjects can be placed at the edge of the 16x9 action area as long as their eyes will not be cut off by 4x3 action safe. Any information that is "critical to understanding the program" like main titles, subtitles or graphics, uses a "4x3 action-safe inside 16x9" guideline. We chose 4x3 action because we feel 4x3 title is just way too restrictive. After looking at several 4x3 sets we found that most of the time all of action safe was viewable. Lower thirds are placed so that non-critical information, like the FL logo on the left side, can fall outside of the 4x3 action area as long as the name of the subject is inside. This widens the perception of the ID to look like it is using more of the frame while making sure the critical data gets to every viewer. Since adopting these general rules viewer complaints have dropped to zero and our stations are much happier.
>
> Looking forward to the time when the wider adoption of AFD in the broadcast chain and incorporation of AFD in all set-top boxes means we no longer have play these games.
>
> Tim Mangini
> Director of Broadcast
> FRONTLINE
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title would look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles 4x3 safe. ;-)
>>
>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, my results - on three different size of screens - 60", 50" and 48" LCDs from higher end Sony consumer sets and lower end Seiki set is that all of them are cropped VERY slightly. None show the full 100% raster but ALL show a good deal of the 95%.
>>>
>>> 93% on ALL of the sets was easily viewable.
>>>
>>> Basically, I made a 1920x1080 file in Photoshop. Then made four different colored boxes. 100% of raster was colored red, 95% of raster was blue, 93% of raster was green, 90% was yellow and 80% was cyan.
>>>
>>> As I mentioned, I could see a red border (100% to 95%) on all of the sets, fed as HDMI straight from a video card.
>>>
>>> Using anything tighter than 90% on these screens would look silly I think. Using 80% as title safe on HD would seem like the designer had screwed up. 90% looks about right for title safe on all of them. I would be completely comfortable with 93% for safe title. I'm shocked at myself for never trying to test this before. I have always used 80% as safe title. Indeed, the Photoshop template for HD is 80% safe title. My eyes have been opened.
>>>
>>> This is JUST a test with the four HD consumer sets that I have in my office. All were bought last December. I'd love to see whether others have the same results. Maybe burn a test to bluray and play it at home.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Hullfish
>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Tue May 22, 2012 11:44 am (PDT)

Jeff! Lawrence Welk! LOL!

A memorable post.

Shirley

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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs?

This has been an ongoing problem in Alabama. While Alabama Public Television
sends 16x9 to our cable company most of the time, some shows, like Lawrence Welk
(!) are 4x3, so the cable company has decided everything gets sent out 4x3 on
the SD feed. (On the rare occasions I watch PBS I usually DVR it, and HD eats
up too much disk space.) Lawrence Welk rules us from the grave!

That's bad enough, but the PBS's idiotic insistence on forcing archival material
to be cropped to 16:9 (rather than being pillarboxed) leads to double cropping
of old footage. This is unacceptable.

It is especially bad in programs about artists. My favorite example is an
execrable American Masters show by one of the Burns Brothers. Whatever you
think of Warhol, he knew what a frame was -- if your films often have 33-minute
takes the frame is significant. But this Burns fellow decided he had a better
sense of framing than his subject, and cropped all of the Warhol film clips
(originally 4x3) to 16x9. This worked especially well in a film that had three
characters, each placed in a corner of the frame -- one of them was lost on PBS.

American Masters indeed.

Jeff "boycotting PBS since the days of Larry Grossman" Kreines

On May 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "timmangini" <tim_mangini@wgbh.org<mailto:tim_mangini%40wgbh.org>> wrote:

> During the early period after the digital transition we rebelled against the
"4x3 safe inside 16x9" sentiment that was prevalent at PBS and elsewhere in the
industry. We felt that we had been given a wider canvas for a reason and we
should use it. If viewers missed something then perhaps it would motivate them
to upgrade their 4x3 sets or call their local stations and demand to get
letterbox in SD instead of center-crop. As we educated ourselves we decided we
had to adapt. Stations often were sending out the correct signal to the
head-end (cable/sat) provider, but although specific instructions had been
given, there was no rule that forced them to transmit the full raster, so they
did whatever they wanted. The result was a dog's breakfast of formats reaching
the home, from bread-box 4x3 to blown up letterbox with the sides cut-off, etc..
With that mix came viewer complaints. At PBS unhappy viewers are
non-contributing viewers. Keep in mind that local stations pay PB
S directly for the national programming they broadcast. As a consequence, if
stations feel they are potentially losing revenue, they let PBS know. And PBS
lets the producer know. Two years in a row the PBS technical conference was
very contentious over this issue and we took serious heat for our position.
>
> Here at FRONTLINE we created an internal spec that tries to accommodate as
many interests as possible. DP's are free to use the full raster, keeping in
mind 16x9 action safe for most imagery. Interview subjects can be placed at the
edge of the 16x9 action area as long as their eyes will not be cut off by 4x3
action safe. Any information that is "critical to understanding the program"
like main titles, subtitles or graphics, uses a "4x3 action-safe inside 16x9"
guideline. We chose 4x3 action because we feel 4x3 title is just way too
restrictive. After looking at several 4x3 sets we found that most of the time
all of action safe was viewable. Lower thirds are placed so that non-critical
information, like the FL logo on the left side, can fall outside of the 4x3
action area as long as the name of the subject is inside. This widens the
perception of the ID to look like it is using more of the frame while making
sure the critical data gets to every viewer. Since adopting
these general rules viewer complaints have dropped to zero and our stations are
much happier.
>
> Looking forward to the time when the wider adoption of AFD in the broadcast
chain and incorporation of AFD in all set-top boxes means we no longer have play
these games.
>
> Tim Mangini
> Director of Broadcast
> FRONTLINE
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows
require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows
and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts
but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is
relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a
full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title
would look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles
4x3 safe. ;-)
>>
>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, my results - on three different size of screens - 60", 50" and 48" LCDs
from higher end Sony consumer sets and lower end Seiki set is that all of them
are cropped VERY slightly. None show the full 100% raster but ALL show a good
deal of the 95%.
>>>
>>> 93% on ALL of the sets was easily viewable.
>>>
>>> Basically, I made a 1920x1080 file in Photoshop. Then made four different
colored boxes. 100% of raster was colored red, 95% of raster was blue, 93% of
raster was green, 90% was yellow and 80% was cyan.
>>>
>>> As I mentioned, I could see a red border (100% to 95%) on all of the sets,
fed as HDMI straight from a video card.
>>>
>>> Using anything tighter than 90% on these screens would look silly I think.
Using 80% as title safe on HD would seem like the designer had screwed up. 90%
looks about right for title safe on all of them. I would be completely
comfortable with 93% for safe title. I'm shocked at myself for never trying to
test this before. I have always used 80% as safe title. Indeed, the Photoshop
template for HD is 80% safe title. My eyes have been opened.
>>>
>>> This is JUST a test with the four HD consumer sets that I have in my office.
All were bought last December. I'd love to see whether others have the same
results. Maybe burn a test to bluray and play it at home.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Hullfish
>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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I'm glad I'm not the only one noticed how bad it's been.

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To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: PBS Safe Action/Safe Title Specs?

This has been an ongoing problem in Alabama. While Alabama Public Television sends 16x9 to our cable company most of the time, some shows, like Lawrence Welk (!) are 4x3, so the cable company has decided everything gets sent out 4x3 on the SD feed. (On the rare occasions I watch PBS I usually DVR it, and HD eats up too much disk space.) Lawrence Welk rules us from the grave!

That's bad enough, but the PBS's idiotic insistence on forcing archival material to be cropped to 16:9 (rather than being pillarboxed) leads to double cropping of old footage. This is unacceptable.

It is especially bad in programs about artists. My favorite example is an execrable American Masters show by one of the Burns Brothers. Whatever you think of Warhol, he knew what a frame was -- if your films often have 33-minute takes the frame is significant. But this Burns fellow decided he had a better sense of framing than his subject, and cropped all of the Warhol film clips (originally 4x3) to 16x9. This worked especially well in a film that had three characters, each placed in a corner of the frame -- one of them was lost on PBS.

American Masters indeed.

Jeff "boycotting PBS since the days of Larry Grossman" Kreines

On May 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "timmangini" <tim_mangini@wgbh.org<mailto:tim_mangini%40wgbh.org>> wrote:

> During the early period after the digital transition we rebelled against the "4x3 safe inside 16x9" sentiment that was prevalent at PBS and elsewhere in the industry. We felt that we had been given a wider canvas for a reason and we should use it. If viewers missed something then perhaps it would motivate them to upgrade their 4x3 sets or call their local stations and demand to get letterbox in SD instead of center-crop. As we educated ourselves we decided we had to adapt. Stations often were sending out the correct signal to the head-end (cable/sat) provider, but although specific instructions had been given, there was no rule that forced them to transmit the full raster, so they did whatever they wanted. The result was a dog's breakfast of formats reaching the home, from bread-box 4x3 to blown up letterbox with the sides cut-off, etc.. With that mix came viewer complaints. At PBS unhappy viewers are non-contributing viewers. Keep in mind that local stations pay PBS directly for the national programming they broadcast. As a consequence, if stations feel they are potentially losing revenue, they let PBS know. And PBS lets the producer know. Two years in a row the PBS technical conference was very contentious over this issue and we took serious heat for our position.
>
> Here at FRONTLINE we created an internal spec that tries to accommodate as many interests as possible. DP's are free to use the full raster, keeping in mind 16x9 action safe for most imagery. Interview subjects can be placed at the edge of the 16x9 action area as long as their eyes will not be cut off by 4x3 action safe. Any information that is "critical to understanding the program" like main titles, subtitles or graphics, uses a "4x3 action-safe inside 16x9" guideline. We chose 4x3 action because we feel 4x3 title is just way too restrictive. After looking at several 4x3 sets we found that most of the time all of action safe was viewable. Lower thirds are placed so that non-critical information, like the FL logo on the left side, can fall outside of the 4x3 action area as long as the name of the subject is inside. This widens the perception of the ID to look like it is using more of the frame while making sure the critical data gets to every viewer. Since adopting these general rules viewer complaints have dropped to zero and our stations are much happier.
>
> Looking forward to the time when the wider adoption of AFD in the broadcast chain and incorporation of AFD in all set-top boxes means we no longer have play these games.
>
> Tim Mangini
> Director of Broadcast
> FRONTLINE
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
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>> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title would look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles 4x3 safe. ;-)
>>
>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, my results - on three different size of screens - 60", 50" and 48" LCDs from higher end Sony consumer sets and lower end Seiki set is that all of them are cropped VERY slightly. None show the full 100% raster but ALL show a good deal of the 95%.
>>>
>>> 93% on ALL of the sets was easily viewable.
>>>
>>> Basically, I made a 1920x1080 file in Photoshop. Then made four different colored boxes. 100% of raster was colored red, 95% of raster was blue, 93% of raster was green, 90% was yellow and 80% was cyan.
>>>
>>> As I mentioned, I could see a red border (100% to 95%) on all of the sets, fed as HDMI straight from a video card.
>>>
>>> Using anything tighter than 90% on these screens would look silly I think. Using 80% as title safe on HD would seem like the designer had screwed up. 90% looks about right for title safe on all of them. I would be completely comfortable with 93% for safe title. I'm shocked at myself for never trying to test this before. I have always used 80% as safe title. Indeed, the Photoshop template for HD is 80% safe title. My eyes have been opened.
>>>
>>> This is JUST a test with the four HD consumer sets that I have in my office. All were bought last December. I'd love to see whether others have the same results. Maybe burn a test to bluray and play it at home.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Hullfish
>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>>>
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Posted by: "Gary Berendsen" gary@garyberendsen.com <mailto:gary@garyberendsen.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20PBS%20Safe%20Action%2FSafe%20Title%20Specs%3F> garyberendsen <http://profiles.yahoo.com/garyberendsen>
Tue May 22, 2012 12:58 pm (PDT)

Lawrence welk didn't he just appear on saturday night live with mick jagger?

I do like that idea about using 4:3 action as title safety though, will mention that as might be help with some worldwide tags etc.

thanks,

Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist
dge wrote:

> Lawrence Welk

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Posted by: "John Beck" jb30343@windstream.net <mailto:jb30343@windstream.net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20PBS%20Safe%20Action%2FSafe%20Title%20Specs%3F> jb30343 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/jb30343>
Tue May 22, 2012 1:16 pm (PDT)

Add to this the hateful practice some stations have of overlaying the
pillars on pillar boxed 4x3 with their own horrible graphic... --J.B.

Jeff Kreines wrote:
> This has been an ongoing problem in Alabama. While Alabama Public Television sends 16x9 to our cable company most of the time, some shows, like Lawrence Welk (!) are 4x3, so the cable company has decided everything gets sent out 4x3 on the SD feed. (On the rare occasions I watch PBS I usually DVR it, and HD eats up too much disk space.) Lawrence Welk rules us from the grave!
>
> That's bad enough, but the PBS's idiotic insistence on forcing archival material to be cropped to 16:9 (rather than being pillarboxed) leads to double cropping of old footage. This is unacceptable.
>
> It is especially bad in programs about artists. My favorite example is an execrable American Masters show by one of the Burns Brothers. Whatever you think of Warhol, he knew what a frame was -- if your films often have 33-minute takes the frame is significant. But this Burns fellow decided he had a better sense of framing than his subject, and cropped all of the Warhol film clips (originally 4x3) to 16x9. This worked especially well in a film that had three characters, each placed in a corner of the frame -- one of them was lost on PBS.
>
> American Masters indeed.
>
> Jeff "boycotting PBS since the days of Larry Grossman" Kreines
>
> On May 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "timmangini"<tim_mangini@wgbh.org<mailto:tim_mangini%40wgbh.org>> wrote:
>
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>> During the early period after the digital transition we rebelled against the "4x3 safe inside 16x9" sentiment that was prevalent at PBS and elsewhere in the industry. We felt that we had been given a wider canvas for a reason and we should use it. If viewers missed something then perhaps it would motivate them to upgrade their 4x3 sets or call their local stations and demand to get letterbox in SD instead of center-crop. As we educated ourselves we decided we had to adapt. Stations often were sending out the correct signal to the head-end (cable/sat) provider, but although specific instructions had been given, there was no rule that forced them to transmit the full raster, so they did whatever they wanted. The result was a dog's breakfast of formats reaching the home, from bread-box 4x3 to blown up letterbox with the sides cut-off, etc.. With that mix came viewer complaints. At PBS unhappy viewers are non-contributing viewers. Keep in mind that local stations pay PBS directly for the national programming they broadcast. As a consequence, if stations feel they are potentially losing revenue, they let PBS know. And PBS lets the producer know. Two years in a row the PBS technical conference was very contentious over this issue and we took serious heat for our position.
>>
>> Here at FRONTLINE we created an internal spec that tries to accommodate as many interests as possible. DP's are free to use the full raster, keeping in mind 16x9 action safe for most imagery. Interview subjects can be placed at the edge of the 16x9 action area as long as their eyes will not be cut off by 4x3 action safe. Any information that is "critical to understanding the program" like main titles, subtitles or graphics, uses a "4x3 action-safe inside 16x9" guideline. We chose 4x3 action because we feel 4x3 title is just way too restrictive. After looking at several 4x3 sets we found that most of the time all of action safe was viewable. Lower thirds are placed so that non-critical information, like the FL logo on the left side, can fall outside of the 4x3 action area as long as the name of the subject is inside. This widens the perception of the ID to look like it is using more of the frame while making sure the critical data gets to every viewer. Since adopting these general rules viewer complaints have dropped to zero and our stations are much happier.
>>
>> Looking forward to the time when the wider adoption of AFD in the broadcast chain and incorporation of AFD in all set-top boxes means we no longer have play these games.
>>
>> Tim Mangini
>> Director of Broadcast
>> FRONTLINE
>>
>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnrobmoore"<bigfish@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your findings. Regardless of your findings many shows require 4x3 safe titles in HD shows. Direct TV letterboxes some network shows and others it center crops to SD boxes. Dennis posted that NBC news Center Cuts but the entertainment division letterboxes. So I've heard 5% cutoff is relatively standard and I've seen Panny consumer plasmas that have a crop and a full setting. Just another pain in the arse. If you thinks 80% safe title would look wrong you aren't watching much Network PrimeTime that has all titles 4x3 safe. ;-)
>>>
>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, Steve Hullfish<steve4lists@> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, my results - on three different size of screens - 60", 50" and 48" LCDs from higher end Sony consumer sets and lower end Seiki set is that all of them are cropped VERY slightly. None show the full 100% raster but ALL show a good deal of the 95%.
>>>>
>>>> 93% on ALL of the sets was easily viewable.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, I made a 1920x1080 file in Photoshop. Then made four different colored boxes. 100% of raster was colored red, 95% of raster was blue, 93% of raster was green, 90% was yellow and 80% was cyan.
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned, I could see a red border (100% to 95%) on all of the sets, fed as HDMI straight from a video card.
>>>>
>>>> Using anything tighter than 90% on these screens would look silly I think. Using 80% as title safe on HD would seem like the designer had screwed up. 90% looks about right for title safe on all of them. I would be completely comfortable with 93% for safe title. I'm shocked at myself for never trying to test this before. I have always used 80% as safe title. Indeed, the Photoshop template for HD is 80% safe title. My eyes have been opened.
>>>>
>>>> This is JUST a test with the four HD consumer sets that I have in my office. All were bought last December. I'd love to see whether others have the same results. Maybe burn a test to bluray and play it at home.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hullfish
>>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>My favorite example is an execrable American Masters show by one of the
Burns Brothers.

Oh I enjoyed Kevin Burn's documentary on the life of Ansel Adams. It
incorporated one of the last intvws Adams gave. Ken Burns's film on the
history of radio was pretty darn good too. Now I thought Baseball was one
big bloated floater.

Honestly I haven't watched a PBS show in over six years. There are just too
many other competing choices out there now. When I did watch the best shows
where NOVA, Frontline and American Masters.

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Tue May 22, 2012 7:49 am (PDT)

For those interested in the mac Activity monitor -

Played around some more with it and found some features I didn't
know about.

If you click on the icon in the dock you get several options
including changing the dock icon to display a specific monitor or
having that monitor as a small window on the desktop, either of
which is kind of handy if you want to keep an eye on things while
working.

I checked out the CPU display which shows how much each core is
in use (in the four core i7 it displays eight cores because of
hyper-threading.) Playing back the DNxHD 220 files on the Avid
shows activity in all eight, none near full. I guess that means
the 89% from below must be a percentage of some total larger than
100%, (maybe 400%, 100% for each actual core on the i7?)

D.

On Mon, May 21, 2012, at 04:10 PM, Dan McCabe wrote:

I was looking at a system running MC 6.0.1.1 on a 2.2 GHz i7 MBP
with 8
Gigs of RAM playing DNxHD220 files through a Sonnet Tempo Pro
esata
card.
Out of curiosity I opened up Activity monitor. When I played a
clip on
the source side (not a sequence, just a source clip) the CPU use
shot up
to 89% and then down to the about 80%.
Meanwhile the graphic at the bottom rolled along showing about a
5% user
CPU level.
I tried a similar test on a Mac Tower and got the same kind of
reading.
Is MC really using almost 90% of the CPU to playback DNxHD 220?
Why are the readings not reflected in the Activity monitor
graphic?

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Posted by: "tofuelly" carrolle@sympatico.ca <mailto:carrolle@sympatico.ca?Subject=%20Re%3A%20%2Edesc%20files%20%3F%20MC%206%20dnxhd%20Alexa%20blabla> tofuelly <http://profiles.yahoo.com/tofuelly>
Tue May 22, 2012 11:20 am (PDT)

Owen,

Those files are temp files that are not being cleaned up by the Avid title tool. This is an error I have reported to tech support and it's been listed as a bug. Throwing them out will not cause any issues.

Erin Carroll
ASCR Toronto

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, op <owen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> What gives with all these .desc files in my sahred project folder ?
> PS
> Working with Alexa created dnxhd mxf's that have been consolidated after AMA'ing.
> Getting weird errors on rendering, black screen mumbo jumbo. MC 6.0.1.1 mac. Not really seeing an advantage to
> getting Alexa DnxHD ratehr than proves HQ. Instead of transcoding I'm consolidating. Still time consuming. The dnxhd files are no less
> clunky in AMA than prores HQ. Footage was shot "cranked" 60fps. Also suddenly full screen playback is tearing on cut points. fun.
>
> Owen
>

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Posted by: "Jeff Hedberg" jeff@unioneditorial.com <mailto:jeff@unioneditorial.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Avid%20and%20ProRes%20-%20no%20transcode> evilblender <http://profiles.yahoo.com/evilblender>
Tue May 22, 2012 12:16 pm (PDT)

I've always had us transcode (via AMA) ProRes footage to DNxHD... however, on an upcoming job I've being told there isn't TIME...

Is anyone working with ProRes via AMA in the Avid on ISIS?
Is Media Composer happy with this arrangement? Do files end up getting 'unlinked' randomly?
(MC 5.5, mac)

Jeff

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Posted by: "electropura212" electropura212@gmail.com <mailto:electropura212@gmail.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Avid%20and%20ProRes%20-%20no%20transcode> palenyc <http://profiles.yahoo.com/palenyc>
Tue May 22, 2012 12:27 pm (PDT)

You should transcode. It's performance is very flaky prior to v6. In
version 6, it's still a bit risky to stay AMA, though i have gotten it to
work somewhat decently on smaller jobs....however "transcoding" is quick if
you go to ProRes MXF instead of Avid DNXHD, as it just does a re-wrap into
an MXF container. Pro Res is treated as a native format in v6.

I would not recommend editing with AMA at all.

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, Jeff Hedberg wrote:

> I've always had us transcode (via AMA) ProRes footage to DNxHD... however,
> on an upcoming job I've being told there isn't TIME...
>
> Is anyone working with ProRes via AMA in the Avid on ISIS?
> Is Media Composer happy with this arrangement? Do files end up getting
> 'unlinked' randomly?
> (MC 5.5, mac)
>
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------------
> Jeff Hedberg
> Union Editorial
> 575 Broadway
> 6th floor
> New York, NY 10012
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Search the official Complete Avid-L archives at:
> http://archives.bengrosser.com/avid/
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>
>
>
>

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Tue May 22, 2012 12:33 pm (PDT)

I posted a while back that my Media Composer (on Mac) was displaying black as VIVID GREEN. But when I launched Resolve, it actually solved the problem.

The bizarre thing is that I have an AJA Kona 3 card in my Mac. At one point (because I had Resolve) I HAD a Blackmagic card in there, but I took it out.

My Avid is still working fine with it, as is my FCP system, but the crazy thing is that my AJA TV and AJA Settings claims that there's no AJA card in the system. BUT my Blackmagic Media Player sees it and uses it perfectly. To cap it all off, Resolve (a BlackMagic product now, that's only supposed to work with BMD cards) also works flawlessly with the AJA card.

SO, the AJA software thinks the card is a Blackmagic card and the Blackmagic software thinks the AJA card is a Blackmagic card. If I could figure out how I did this, I could probably make a nice buck on the recipe for jailbreaking an AJA card for use with Resolve.

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
co-author: "Color Correction for Video: revised edition," "Avid Xpress Pro Editing Workshop" and "Avid XpressDV On the Spot"
presenter: Class On Demand's "Complete Training for Avid Media Composer" AND "Complete Training for Apple Color"
www.classondemand.net/media/final-cut-training/color01.aspx

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Posted by: "Gary Berendsen" gary@garyberendsen.com <mailto:gary@garyberendsen.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Bizarre%20video%20card%20identity%20crisis> garyberendsen <http://profiles.yahoo.com/garyberendsen>
Tue May 22, 2012 12:47 pm (PDT)

Maybe people use the same chips on the boards...

Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist
@DuintjerCS Kamer 1.009
Vijzelstraat 72
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gary@garyberendsen.com<mailto:gary%40garyberendsen.com>
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On May 22, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:

> I posted a while back that my Media Composer (on Mac) was displaying black as VIVID GREEN. But when I launched Resolve, it actually solved the problem.
>
> The bizarre thing is that I have an AJA Kona 3 card in my Mac. At one point (because I had Resolve) I HAD a Blackmagic card in there, but I took it out.
>
> My Avid is still working fine with it, as is my FCP system, but the crazy thing is that my AJA TV and AJA Settings claims that there's no AJA card in the system. BUT my Blackmagic Media Player sees it and uses it perfectly. To cap it all off, Resolve (a BlackMagic product now, that's only supposed to work with BMD cards) also works flawlessly with the AJA card.
>
> SO, the AJA software thinks the card is a Blackmagic card and the Blackmagic software thinks the AJA card is a Blackmagic card. If I could figure out how I did this, I could probably make a nice buck on the recipe for jailbreaking an AJA card for use with Resolve.
>
> Steve Hullfish
> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> co-author: "Color Correction for Video: revised edition," "Avid Xpress Pro Editing Workshop" and "Avid XpressDV On the Spot"
> presenter: Class On Demand's "Complete Training for Avid Media Composer" AND "Complete Training for Apple Color"
> www.classondemand.net/media/final-cut-training/color01.aspx
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Posted by: "Greg Huson" Greg@SecretHQ.com <mailto:Greg@SecretHQ.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Autodesk%20Smoke%20Trial> greg_huson <http://profiles.yahoo.com/greg_huson>
Tue May 22, 2012 12:43 pm (PDT)

aka public beta?

http://usa.autodesk.com/smoke-for-mac/trial/

gh
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Posted by: "Gary Berendsen" gary@garyberendsen.com <mailto:gary@garyberendsen.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Autodesk%20Smoke%20Trial> garyberendsen <http://profiles.yahoo.com/garyberendsen>
Tue May 22, 2012 12:50 pm (PDT)

It's been out quite a while, new version looks interesting because of the price. Wouldn't really call this a beta since people do already use it.
They were demoing the new version at NAB on an imac. They did drop the price to 4K though.
Sidenote:
I didn't see the new demo and already made other choices.
Renewed eyeon sub and am waiting on the avx2 connection to see how it compares to dynamic link in adobe.

Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist
@DuintjerCS Kamer 1.009
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gary@garyberendsen.com<mailto:gary%40garyberendsen.com>
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On May 22, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Greg Huson wrote:

> aka public beta?
>
> http://usa.autodesk.com/smoke-for-mac/trial/
>
> gh
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Greg Huson
> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> Post Production / Production
> Culver City, CA
> 323 677 2092
> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
> greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> www.SecretHQ.com
>
>

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Tue May 22, 2012 4:47 pm (PDT)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, Gary Berendsen <gary@...> wrote:

<<It's been out quite a while, new version looks interesting because of the price. Wouldn't really call this a beta since people do already use it.>>

This is a beta as it's the new redesigned SMAC.

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