Dylan,
Based on my experience a show like yours actually has a chance of making
the Resolve round-trip work rather well.
The key is you don't really -trip back into Avid.
In Resolve you render out of the Master Session - which renders the footage
from head to tail (none of the handles & trimming nonsense).
You'll end up with an identical match of the original Avid source media -
but color graded. Then relink back in Avid and you're done. It's a typical
proxy > online workflow only ungraded > graded.
The only prep work is to simplify the Avid timeline removing all nested
anythings... pull the graphics, mattes, everything (feel free to keep
dissolves and if there's PIP you leave the source footage on stacked
tracks). You'll end up with a raw timeline of just the footage you want to
grade with zero effects. On a 22 minutes show I think this usually takes me
about 20 minutes to prep the timeline. But I'm still raw with Avid and
rather slow.
Then... AAF that simplified timeline into Resolve. Grade. Render out from
the Master Session. Relink in Avid - but to the timeline that has all your
effects, graphics, nests, etc. You're done. Fully conformed timeline with
none of the re-building hassles.
But the key is that the footage can't be any of those wrapped files (I'm
just getting back on Avid... would that be the AMA workflow?). The footage
needs to be all transcoded to a native Avid codec for this to work
seamlessly - which on a project like yours you could build the workflow for
that kind of efficiency (if yo haven't already).
- patrick
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Dylan Reeve <dylan@dylan.wibble.net> wrote:
> Indeed the show is shot multicam with CCU control. However we do apply a
> look to each scene and have frequent "fixes" to make. Also the show is
> typically 10-20% single-cam location material.
>
> Symphony works but there are things we like to do that aren't very
> practical in resolve. As it is I can grade a block (a week of episodes) in
> a day usually. From toying with Resolve I think we could achieve similar
> time frame (not including rendering) but there are aspects of our workflow
> that don't work well with Resolve. It's something I will continue to
> experiment with.
>
> Sent from my mobile
> On Mar 24, 2012 2:05 AM, "David Ballard" <dave@lab601.com> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > hi dylan, for your workflow i'm not sure i get what you want. you mention
> > an almost daily finish from cut MC projects. you would never achieve this
> > anyway with any external CC system within your workflow. in your
> situation
> > a soap would be shot with engineers matching the cams and i would expect
> > not much at all for CC unless it's a blanket look. if there are odd
> shots i
> > would imagine a animatte or paint or spot correction effect ( window)
> would
> > be your fix for the shot.
> >
> > for a less time challenged project and larger per minute budget i would
> > then consider using a product that can deliver the look.
> >
> > David C Ballard
> > President and Creative Director
> > LAB 601, Inc.
> > www.lab601.com
> > 404.876.4601
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dylan Reeve [dylan@dylan.wibble.net]
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 5:57 AM
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Dear Avid: Baselight and Resolve let's go!
> >
> > The lack of any matte controls in the Symphony secondary and lack of
> shapes
> > are my biggest frustrations with Symphony. In some ways it's good - I
> rely
> > on achieving the look I want in a "primary" grade in most cases, but it's
> > very frustrating in the things that I compromise on because the benefit
> > from breaking out of CC to create AniMatte shapes and a "secondary" grade
> > is not worth the effort it will take.
> >
> > We've got the DaVinci license and extra GPU on the strength of being able
> > to use it on a lower-budget six episode series, but I'm keen to explore
> > more about using it for my main job (a nightly soap - 250x23min a year).
> >
> > The benefits of Avid's "grade in the timeline" approach are great, but
> lack
> > of flexibility is frustrating - but we are assured that they hear our
> > frustrations on this, hopefully, so perhaps change is in the wind.
> >
> > Dylan Reeve
> > http://dylanreeve.com/
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Christopher Lowden <
> > christopher@fearlesstv.com> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > I have just finished 15 commercials using an aaf / davinci lite workflow.
> > > Apart from rendered mxfs out of davinci that were occasionally
> > quarantined,
> > > it worked amazingly well. The reconform in the avid was easy , as long
> as
> > > the tc and tape name were right. To make it harder, these were 5d
> rushes
> > > that we graded directly, so metadata was key to the success. I
> initially
> > > wanted to use symphony but I got stuck as firstly I could not find
> > someone
> > > who really knows what creative colour grading is. There are plenty of
> > avid
> > > editors who can fiddle with colour levels. Secondly, symphony has the
> > worst
> > > matte/track logic ever conceived. Once you have used a dedicated
> grading
> > > app, you're in no hurry to go back to symphony.
> > > All to say that I feel that avid should integrate symphony to mc and
> have
> > > a utility to repair mxfs. Aafs are great. In my experience, it's avid's
> > > very strict media needs that are such a handicap. What is the point of
> a
> > > quarantine if you can't repair the media. Once.that is sorted, a truly
> > > viable avid mxf pipeline with other apps is possible.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jim Gilson <gilsonjamesj@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It would be nice if more of Magic Bullet Suite would work with MC,
> too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@...>
> > > > To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > BASIC MC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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