Now for the last time....
The first example is good. The last is NOT.
That would be a single frame of black. Or, as we say here (translated), a
'blackey', similar to small negro.
That was fun when i had several refugees in my suite to review an edit. :-)
And now i'm fed up with it.
Bouke
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Terence Curren" <tcurren@aol.com>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:36 AM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Center Duration 1 fame 1 frame longer duration than
time code calculator?
Jay,
Somehow we are not communicating here. In your example below you only show
one event. Try showing two events in an assembly list and you'll see what
I'm talking about.
In your two frame edit example below, counting 1053+13 - 1053+14 = 2 frames.
Frame 13 & 14. Very clear to me. Two physical frames and add tape to the end
to splice to the next shot.
Now let's take your video example, Frame 1:00:05:13 + 1:00:05:14 +
1:00:05:15 = 3 frames. Of course in video land the outgoing number and the
incoming number live in the same place:
Source Record
1:00:05:13 - 1:00:05:15 1:00:00:00 - 1:00:00:02
1:00:05:13 - 1:00:05:15 1:00:00:02 - 1:00:00:04
So how can two frames live at 1:00:00:02 ?????
The answer is, they can't! So the EDL should read:
1:00:00:00 (frame 1) - 1:00:00:01 (frame 2)
1:00:00:02 (frame 3) - 1:00:00:03 (frame 4)
That is what I'm talking about. From a physical universe of editing film,
actually splicing one frame to the end of another, going to a place that
describes both frames in the same place numerically makes no sense. And vice
versa.
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
>
> You have it completely backwards. You need to go generate some EDLs and
> Cut Lists and look them over.
>
> Tape editing 2 frame edit
> 1:00:05:13 - 1:00:05:15
>
> Film editing 2 frame edit
> 1053+13 - 1053+14
>
> Tape editing 1 frame edit
> 1:00:05:13 - 1:00:05:14
>
> Film editing 1 frame edit
> 1053+13 - 1053+13
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Terence Curren wrote:
>
> > In the linear edit world, the out frame number, and the in frame number
> > are the SAME number.
> >
> > In film, the outgoing frame and the next frame are two different edge
> > code numbers.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bouke" <bouke@> wrote:
> >>
> >> well, as i've stated before, no lineair editor i've ever worked with
> >> could
> >> do this. In is first frame to insert, out is the frame NOT to be
> >> inserted
> >> anymore.
> >> What stuff did you work with?
> >>
> >> Bouke
> >>
> >> VideoToolShed
> >> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> >> 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
> >> The Netherlands
> >> +31 24 3553311
> >> www.videotoolshed.com
> >> For large files:
> >> http://dropbox.yousendit.com/BoukeVahl998172
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Terence Curren" <tcurren@>
> >> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:22 PM
> >> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Center Duration 1 fame 1 frame longer duration
> >> than
> >> time code calculator?
> >>
> >>
> >> When I went from film to linear I had a hard time getting the screwed
> >> up way
> >> they count frames. How can the out frame and the in frame be the same
> >> number?
> >>
> >> Can't work in film, and doesn't work that way in Avid, only in linear
> >> editing insanity can two objects occupy the same place in space.
> >>
> >> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is probably true regardless of the project type but in an HD
> >>> 23.976
> >>> 1080P project if I mark in at 1:00:00:00 and mark out 1:03:00:00 I get
> >>> a
> >>> center duration of 3:00:01. If I subtract the mark in from the mark
> >>> out
> >>> using the time code calculator I get 3:00. I know I always end an act
> >>> on a
> >>> ;29 frame in the drop frame 29.97 world so I think I understand what's
> >>> going on. I guess I should treat the frame before the mark in e.g.
> >>> 00:59:59:23 as the time code I should subtract from the end time code
> >>> when
> >>> going the time code calculator route. I just don't remember ever
> >>> having
> >>> done that in a 29.97 df world but maybe I just didn't notice or think
> >>> about it.
> >>>
> >>> John Moore
> >>>
> >>> Barking Trout Productions
> >>>
> >>> Studio City, CA
> >>>
> >>> bigfish@
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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