Steve, I don't think you've mentioned the fundamental difference in project & bin structure between Avid & FCP, which makes your comparison false.
An FCP project is one big file which also contains all bins. An Avid project file is smaller because bins are separate files, which then take time to load as you use them. So would you rather have more delay before you start work, or repeatedly while you're working?
Both have merit, but they can't be measured equally.
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On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com> wrote:
> Wow, my math was off: at 6 seconds compared to 3:49, you could open a closed Avid project 38 TIMES for every FCP project.
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> Obviously, I don't have two IDENTICAL projects to run a scientific test with.
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> Avid's INCREDIBLY LAME marketing department should do this. If you have a feature that is quanfitiably better than the competitions by 38 TIMES, that's a marketing hook. Another company that I do consulting for knew the importance of this, but not Avid.
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> So, if you are actually just wanting to switch back and forth between four projects, in the course of a normal 10 hour day, at an hour working on each project before switching to another (on average), then the total "opening time" for FCP is 920 seconds. The total time for Avid is 60 seconds. If you switched less often, like only twice per project, it would be 48 seconds compared to 920 seconds. That would be about a 15 minute savings per day for Avid based on those times.
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> Now, take into account that FCP crashes at lunchtime and you have to relaunch all of the projects again and you'll actually save 30 minutes. :-)
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> Steve Hullfish
> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
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> On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
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>> By "new" projects, I mean opening an "old" or "existing" project again. Avid does that pretty quickly.
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>> I might even test this here... I have a bunch of promo projects that are about the same size in Avid and FCP.
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>> So...
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>> This is still pretty anecdotal... I have a dual quad core Mac running a 12 TB very full RAID (12GB RAM) with FCP and Avid on same system.
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>> Two projects of about the same size.
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>> FCP took 3 minutes and 49 seconds to switch between projects.
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>> Avid opened in 6 SECONDS. And that was actually with a bigger project with more sequences. The Avid project had 12 sequences and the FCP project had 2.
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>> OBVIOUSLY, YMMV (your results may be different.) But do a test or two and be open to a different way of working
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>> If you had to open four projects to work on in FCP and it took you 3 minutes each at the beginning of the day to launch them all, that would waste 12 minutes for the initial launch. From then on, you can instantaneously switch back and forth, wasting no time.
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>> In Avid, let say you worked on four different projects and switched back and forth every 30 minutes for a twelve hour day. (An extreme example) If each of those switches cost you 30 seconds, it would break down to being the same amount of time. If you only worked for 8 hours and only switched back and forth every hour, then Avid would only "cost you" 4 minutes compared to wasting 12 minutes on FCP.
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>> Avid also launches faster than FCP, though if you have AMA turned on, searching AMA volumes really slows it down to an even race, especially if you have a lot of drives and drive space. Turning off AMA would help launch speed if you don't need it.
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>> Steve Hullfish
>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
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>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
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>>> Projects and Sequences are two different things...
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>>> However, it is VERY easy to open a bin of sequences from another project into another project (as long as they're the same frame rate.
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>>> I too work on multiple projects at the same time, as many as four a day, and I simply close one and open the other. THe thing with Avid is - and I have seen quantitative tests done by a third party - with Avid, new projects open WAY, WAY, WAY faster than new FCP projects. So closing one project and opening another isn't nearly as painful as with FCP. I have edited extensively in FCP and Avid, including feature films and I can tell you this with deep experience on ALL sizes of projects from massive to tiny. I am stunned switching to FCP how long it takes to launch a project. Granted, with REALLY big projects, Avid can take some time to open them too, but you should do a test yourself. I bet Avid opens projects 10 times faster than FCP. I can't remember the benchmark tests I saw about specifics, but they were pretty clearly in favor of Avid for time to open an existing project.
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>>> So, to you, you're not really interested in editing between them as you are SWITCHING between projects. I can understand why you like FCP for this. Avid will definitely be a different workflow for you, but you have two solutions: open other project's sequences WITHIN another Avid project and work very quickly between them, or simply switch between projects and the increased speed of the Avid will make it less painful than with FCP (but still not as fast as switching tabs in FCP.)
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>>> Steve Hullfish
>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
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>>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Richard wrote:
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>>>> Thanks Steve.
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>>>> As well as copying and pasting between two projects, my daily workflow includes switching between three or more different projects.
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>>>> I prefer the tabbed timeline of FCP where I can instantly switch between multiple projects but I will have a look at MC6 when it is available.
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>>>> Richard
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