Jeff,
Thanks for that. I have red cine x setup and it has been happily sitting
happily as a unity client
making DNXHD mxf for my Avids over the last year and a half now. So no
concern of faulty hardware.
Bogdan thanks for the link !. Not sure why it takes me to "Dragons cave"???
Not fully qualified, performance not guaranteed, no shared storage support'
They just need to add Not Supported to this list and now we are getting
places.
Stephen
-----Original Message-----
From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Hedberg
Sent: Thursday 10 November 2011 18:50
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Media Composer and Red Rocket card NO SUPPORT !!
I'll give you one other hint to look for... make sure that you have it set
to use 'full debayer' (I BELIEVE that is what the setting is called...) it's
in the 'red' settings in the project.
I have set up red-cine X on an external machine - and use it to create .MXF
and .ALE files that go in to the avid. This has been a good workflow for us.
It is MUCH faster than MC (w/o red rocket card)...
It doesn't make sense for use to use red rocket card inside of Avid because
we have too many Avids - so I haven't tried actually getting the card to
work along with the Avid, as you are trying to do.
I propose you set up 'red cine x' on the machine to make sure that IT sees
the card and transcodes faster with it (once again you have to be using full
debayer) then once you know the hardware is working then try to get Avid's
software to play nice with it.
Jeff
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On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Bogdan Grigoresco wrote:
> here it is: http://tinyurl.com/cc89gq
>
> Pay attention to the note at the end which essentially states:
> 'Not fully qualified, performance not guaranteed, no shared storage
support'
>
> Also, make sure FW and drivers for the Rocket card are the ones indicated
by Avid (usually way behind current implementation of RED/RedCine/etc.).
> I remember we had issues too a while ago, where without these Avid reports
the card but does not use it.
>
> Bogdan Grigoresco
> Sr.Engineer, ACSR DS/Unity
> www.finale.tv
>
> --- On Thu, 11/10/11, Bogdan Grigoresco <bogdan_grigorescu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> From: Bogdan Grigoresco <bogdan_grigorescu@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Media Composer and Red Rocket card NO SUPPORT !!
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 9:16 AM
>
> Oh I totally understand your frustration, as we went through the same
18mo. ago.
> I am not defending Avid, far from it, and totally agree with you that it
should work.
>
> It's just their way of prioritizing things, which sometimes get fixed,
other times they just lag indefinitely.
>
> I'll try to go through my notes and find the references to Avid official
documents.
>
> Bogdan Grigoresco
> Sr.Engineer, ACSR DS/Unity
> www.finale.tv
>
> --- On Thu, 11/10/11, Stephen Gamble <stephen.gamble@windmilllane.com>
wrote:
>
> From: Stephen Gamble <stephen.gamble@windmilllane.com>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Media Composer and Red Rocket card NO SUPPORT !!
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Date:
> Thursday, November 10, 2011, 8:16 AM
>
>
>
> Bogdan,
>
> Thanks for the reply. Basically, I have tried a Media Composer transcode
without the rocket and it takes nearly the
>
> same amount of time as with it.
>
> I do understand -there is no way to tell if the rocket is being used by
Avid
>
> -there is no way to control any parameters when using rocket
>
> -there is no way to turn it on or off from the Avid GUI
>
> Users expect RT or faster performance because they have spent approx 4000
dollars on the card and have been told that
>
> it is FULLY support in Avid.
>
> They have not spent the money on the card to have Avid crawl through their
files.
>
> Can you point me towards the Avid documentation that states the support
red rocket only KINDA works?
>
> Stephen
>
> Sig
>
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bogdan Grigoresco
>
> Sent: Thursday 10 November 2011 15:50
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Media Composer and Red Rocket card NO SUPPORT !!
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> What I recall from my testing 18mo. ago is that:
>
> -Avid is actually using the RED Rocket, but in a suboptimal, inefficient
way
>
> -When properly configured, the Rocket accelerated full debayer on Avid
takes ~6Xrealtime
>
> -without the rocket, same transcoding takes 16-20Xrealtime
>
> disclaimer: while numbers above might not be totally accurate, the ratio
between the two processes should be close
>
> -there is no way to tell if the rocket is being used by Avid
>
> -there is no way to control any parameters when using rocket
>
> -there is no way to turn it on or off from the Avid GUI
>
> So, what I suggest is you pull the card out, transcode a one minute clip
at full debayer, write down the result, then put the card back in, run the
same transcoding and compare the results.
>
> The problem, as I see it, is that users expect RT or faster performance in
transcoding when using RR(as it is possible when using RedCine), whereas
Avid has been unable(yet) to optimize the process and it's crawling at a
much slower pace.
>
> It's the reason our facility and clients abandoned the idea and switched
to RCX.
>
> cheers,
>
> Bogdan Grigoresco
>
> Sr.Engineer, ACSR DS/Unity
>
> www.finale.tv
>
> --- On Thu, 11/10/11, Stephen Gamble <stephen.gamble@windmilllane.com
<mailto:stephen.gamble%40windmilllane.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Stephen Gamble <stephen.gamble@windmilllane.com
<mailto:stephen.gamble%40windmilllane.com> >
>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Media Composer and Red Rocket card NO SUPPORT !!
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 1:36 AM
>
> Guys,
>
> Well here we go again. I have escalated this Red rocket issue with Avid
and have run tests for hours on end.
>
> I am still none the wiser and Avid's response has been to just pretend
this issue doesn't exist. Also, I am reminded by them all the time to
>
> read the documentation and make sure full debayer is set in Media
Creation!!
>
> They also state you need a certain version of Driver and Firmware for the
card to be recognised by Avid Media composer.
>
> I have done everything as required and much more.
>
> If you check the Avid console it will show the Red Rocket card and say
it's active but it does nothing to speed up the process.
>
> So yes it is "seen" in Media Composer. If you try and open RedCine-X at
the same time it even states that the Rocket is in
>
> use by another application. So Avid "sees" it but doesn't use it !!!J
>
> I have tried Media composer 5.0.3. I have applied the editor patches 1 by
1 all the way up to 9. Used all versions of RED firmware and drivers.
>
> I have also tried version 5.0.4 and 5.0.4.1. which has a really nice bug
were timecodes are zeroed when you AMA to canon but I guess
>
> that's for another mail. 64bit kernel or 32 bit kernel on OSX no joy.
>
> I have also tried 5.5 and all newer flavours of it. Guess what, nothing
works for the rocket. I gave up.
>
> So I am still using RedCine-X and it works perfectly but it adds an
unwanted step to my process.
>
> I just wish Avid would stop pretending it is supported and works ! Am I
missing something???
>
> Unless there is someone on this list using it all the time and getting RED
CINE-X speeds on transcode??
>
> If there is please share your MC version/osx build/driver and firmware
versions.
>
> I don't think i'll hold my breath though.
>
> Time for a coffee
>
> Stephen
>
> Sig
>
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Bogdan Grigoresco
>
> Sent: Tuesday 08 November 2011 20:33
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Media Composer and Red Rocket card
>
> Current MC implementation uses the RED Rocket card for transcoding only.
No display/output.
>
> And MediaCreationSettings need to be set to Full Debayer. Otherwise it
ignores the rocket card and uses the CPU.
>
> cheers,
>
> Bogdan Grigoresco
>
> Sr.Engineer, ACSR DS/Unity
>
> www.finale.tv
>
> --- On Tue, 11/8/11, Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com
<mailto:Greg%40SecretHQ.com> <mailto:Greg%40SecretHQ.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com <mailto:Greg%40SecretHQ.com>
<mailto:Greg%40SecretHQ.com> >
>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Media Composer and Red Rocket card
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 11:46 AM
>
> the workflow for RedCine-X Pro is simple enough, and that's working, so
this isn't an 'emergency,' but I can't get Media Composer to use the Red
Rocket card directly - Is there a switch or trick somewhere for that? In
this case, a Mac running MC 5.5.3. The CPU is seeing the Rocket Card - RCX
on the same machine works great - but media composer's not seeing it.
>
> gh
>
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