Saturday, September 17, 2011

RE: [Avid-L2] Not looking good fro 3D theatrically

 



> If you notice the editing then you are not inside the story. And if you're
not noticing the editing, then what's the point?...

Of paying an extra $4 because it was cut on Avid?

>If you notice the cinematography then you are not inside the story. And if
you're not noticing the cinematography, then what's the point?...

Of paying $4 for something shot on RED?

If you notice the sound design then you are not inside the story. And if
you're not noticing the sound design, then what's the point?..

Of paying $4 for SDDS?

The thinking is that if you are paying a premium for the movie, then there
needs to be a perceived added value. Once your are immersed in the movie
you tend not to notice that thing you paid extra for. If I have to become
less engaged to notice the 3D I paid a premium for, then it doesn't seem
worth it. If the 3D is used in such a way that the 2D version suffers for
its lack, then it is worth the premium. I think it is fair to say that no
3D conversion qualifies.

From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jay Mahavier
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:41 PM
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Not looking good fro 3D theatrically

and just how does that make sense? Let's replace 3D with something else.

If you notice the editing then you are not inside the story. And if you're
not noticing the editing, then what's the point?

If you notice the cinematography then you are not inside the story. And if
you're not noticing the cinematography, then what's the point?

If you notice the sound design then you are not inside the story. And if
you're not noticing the sound design, then what's the point?

If you notice the writing then you are not inside the story. And if you're
not noticing the writing, then what's the point?

How far do you want to go with that? I'm not trying to defend 3D, but I just
want to know how that thinking makes sense.

Jay

On Sep 17, 2011, at 1:35 PM, David Dodson wrote:

> I disagree about AVATAR. If you've had the chance to watch it on Blu ray
in 2D, it's even more spectacular and more immersive. The world seems
somehow bigger, probably because you're making the imaginative translation
into the story world, with all its artifice, rather than the stereo world,
what with its "real" objects are now much smaller than real life. In other
words the "literal" nature of stereo presentations makes the physical
objects smaller than life, which is no good at all.
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> And agreeing with Ian, if you notice the 3D then you're not inside the
story. And if you're not noticing the 3D, then what's the point? It's that
inherent paradox that makes 3D pointless except for theme parks.
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> David
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> On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Andi Meek wrote:
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>> If it's done well, by filmmakers who understand how to use it, it can be
amazing. Avatar worked considerably better in 3D than in 2D because of the
immersive world Cameron built and the way he used that space. Scorsese is
doing it with Hugo. Just watch the trailer, you can see how it will work in
3D and i reckon it will look great. Unfortunately these films seem to be
pretty few and far between, I agree though, 3D doesn't have a wide enough
range of instances when it will significantly improve the story, like Ian
says, limited to spectacle. Check out the trailer for Hugo;
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQNkETGfA6k
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>> Andi
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>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
>> From: ijohnson2@earthlink.net <mailto:ijohnson2%40earthlink.net>
>> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:45:36 -0700
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>> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
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