Friday, August 5, 2011

Re: [Avid-L2] HD Camcorder

 

Jim,
Thanks for the info. I'm going to take a look at the M40 and M41.
There's a good chance this will fill the bill. If it's set up then all they
have to do is turn it on and hit record.
The cards look easy to get out. I'll get a spare set and we can shuttle
them back and forth.
I'll let you know how it works out.
Alan

Alan Miller
48 Hours Mystery
CBS News

From: Jim Feeley <jfeeley@gmail.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] HD Camcorder

Alan,

I'm on a similar quest. We need a half-dozen simple cameras for 
subjects with minimal experience to keep with them for the inevitable 
(but unpredictable) day When The Heavy S*** Comes Down, Man. Our needs 
differ from yours, but here's what I think:

I end up working with DSLRs a lot, as do we all. A DSLR as Greg 
suggests could be a good way to go if you you think the operator can 
pull it off, if he/she will largely be working on sticks, if they'll 
largely be getting scenics of beautiful piazzas or something, and if 
you want to spend the money. I'd say the cheapest decent way to go 
would be a Canon Rebel T2i with the crappy kit lens or with the decent 
Tamron 17-50 2.8 lens (that I like and use). That would cost $1100ish. 
Or maybe the $1000ish kit with the 18-135 lens would be OK (haven't 
used that lens). But the Rebel T3i body has a flip-out LCD screen that 
really really eases using a DSLR... worth the extra $100 or so, imo. 
Do you care about audio? Spend some more money 'cause the built-in 
DSLR mics suck. You'll still have a DSLR, and all the inherent 
niceness and ickiness that goes with...

But if they'll be shooting handheld, don't have decent skills, will 
not have time to do lots of fiddling with the camera, then maybe you 
want to consider a small palmcorder. That's the direction we're going. 
I've been reviewing a few of these. Currently, I'm pretty impressed 
with some of the newer Canon camcorders. I evaluated the $700ish Canon 
HF M40 and the $1500ish HF G10. They're largely similar, but for the 
lens and a couple other features (G10 has bigger LCD screen, true 24p 
progressive rather than 24F-on-60i, easier access to some settings, 
better--but not great--zoom control)...there are several variants of 
the M40... one has a viewfinder in addition to the LCD screen; a 
couple have different memory configurations. But the M cameras seem 
otherwise the same.

The coolest thing about these particular Canon cameras: Instead of 
tiny 8-megapixel sensors, they have tiny (1/3-inch) 2 megapixel 
sensors... specifically 1920x1080 sensors. So each pixel site is 
somewhat bigger. So the cameras work better in low light and show 
noticeably more (but not fantastic) dynamic range than other small 
camcorders. Really, the image looks pretty good (for AVCHD from a 
small camera). The built-in mics are a bit bright, but OK. The built-
in wind filter isn't great. But the cameras have 3.5mm headphone and 
mic jacks... that's nice though we won't be taking advantage of 
those...KISS. The G10 lens opens to 30mm vs 45mm (35mm still 
equivalent) for the M40... that's significant. And the G10 lens is a 
bit faster.

Here, this link should lead you to a comparison chart:
http://bit.ly/nvjwfq

If that doesn't work, go here:
http://usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/camcorders/consumer_camcorders

Both cameras have decent Auto modes (some with auto white balance; 
sigh), and enough manual control. I could go on, but it's the sensor 
and low-light performance that's making these cameras good options for 
us. The cameras have a lot of options. Will your operator want to use 
the auto white balance even if you say don't? Will they choose the 
best image stabilization for their particular use? Do you want them 
recording at 60i or what? You might want to consider getting the 
camera in house, setting them up the way you want, then sending them 
to Italy. FWIW, we'll probably end up choosing one of the M-series 
cameras, mainly for budget reasons... if I was buying a small 
camcorder for myself, I'd probably buy the G10.

Also, you might want to consider getting a simple offloading app such 
as ShotPut Pro (for Mac or Windows):

http://www.imagineproducts.com/

Makes it pretty easy to simultaneously copy cards to a couple hard 
drives, verify the copy, and so on. I could see you wanting the 
operator to copy media to two hard drives, ship you the memory cards 
and one hard drive, and hold onto the second hard drive as security. 
Some people don't seem to like ShotPut Pro, but we've found it to be 
simple (as in both PAs and producers can do the work) and reliable... 
Would love to hear what others think

Regardless what camera you end up choosing, it's imperative that your 
EP send you to Italy for a couple weeks of location scouting.

Well that's enough from me. I'm getting sleepy.

Would love to hear what others think.

HTH a little,

Jim Feeley
jfeeley@gmail.com

On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Alan Miller wrote:

>
> Can anyone recommend an HD camcorder that can be shot by a semi 
> professional operator.
> I need to have them shoot in Italy and then be able to get the 
> footage back to NY for ingest into
> Avid. I assume the only way to do this is with flash cards that can 
> then be sent back or transferred
> to a drive. Or shoot on a hard hard drive and copy that to a drive. 
> I'm trying to make this simple for
> the operator.
> Any ideas? I'm trying to keep the price under $1000.
> Alan Miller
>
> Alan Miller
> 48 Hours Mystery
> CBS News
>

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