RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

RT

Our experience is that AMA is great for the first rough cut and then it
is time to transcode.

So, say you are on a shoot with thirty hours of footage, you can access
that footage during or after the shoot, instantly in the Avid NLE, with
AMA.

You screen the footage, locate the sync (I think you chaps call it
actuality) from the transcripts etc. (caveat; I haven't used AMA and
Scriptsync, yet) and make a four or five hour rough cut.

Late Friday night you select the sequence(s) that have useful material
in them and use the "select media relatives" command and set the system
transcoding to your local or shared drive.

Keep an eye on it using remote access over the weekend and then on
Monday you have a Mediafiles folder full of lovely, long form friendly,
i-frame DNxHD material.

This is all good if you are going to stay with the high data rate
material. However, if you need to have a large amount of data online or
have a number of simultaneous programmes to edit on a small Unity, then
you can go the "offline ->online" route and transcode to SD 15:1 media
and park the higher data rate DNxHD media on a nearline storage device
that is not the primary editing storage, but is capacious and
inexpensive. We would recommend doing both transcodes at the same time
and from the EXACT SAME project in order to minimise disappointment
later on. Now you can edit the 15:1 media and then, when it is fine cut,
you can relink to the higher rez material.

From a sample of our customers , if you stay long form on long GOP
material or try and share AMA on a Unity (without careful management)
then unhappiness can ensue. That is not to say either is impossible.

Rupert Watson

+447787554801

www.root6.com

From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of RT
Sent: 08 February 2010 22:11
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

Good post.

Rupert, would you suggest using AMA for any long term, long form
projects like a feature? This would mean never consolidating the media
to a mediafiles folder.

On the plus side, it can save many hours of prep and transfer time, more

so with multicam dailies.

But is it a good idea? There's a lot to learn about squeezing AMA into
our existing workflows.

I'm curious:
At what point does the AMA process become unproductive due to the
sheer amount of external links/conflicts?
Where are the database files are kept?
Is AMA practical on a SAN with shared media? What about in mixed
PC/MAC environments?
Is it fully functional with software features like scriptsync.

"To consolidate, or not to consolidate - - that is the question."

Anyone pushing the limits of AMA out there who can comment?

RT

Rupert Watson wrote:

>
>
> I dealt with an issue yesterday that happens a lot and so I tell the
> tale here in the hope that someone will pass it on to a shooter or
> client who is embarking on the file based fandango..
>
> The ideal workflow for AMA is to copy the whole contents of the SxS
card
> (yes all those apparently useless folders) into a folder named for the
> card; i.e. Card 1, 2 etc.
>
> If you are inclined to dig into the BPAV folder and only copy what
looks
> like useful data out, then Avid will not link to it.
>
> The good news is that if you use XDCAM browser to import the MP4 files
> it will recreate the BPAV structure and Avid will be prepared to link
to
> it.
>
> So you should end up with a folder in the root of the drive you are
> copying camera data to called "My Project" and in there a folder per
> card shot. Now in Avid you link to AMA and select the "My Project"
> folder and select the "Bin per subfolder" option you will have a load
of
> Bins spawned (with yellow masterclips in them) called Card 1, Card 2
and
> so on.
>
> It's magical the first time you see ten hours of rushes appear ready
to
> edit in thirty seconds.
>
> Rupert Watson
>
> +447787554801
>
> www.root6.com
>
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> Behalf
> Of johnrobmoore
> Sent: 06 February 2010 00:29
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA
>
> Having not had any AMA stuff yet what actually happens when you go
> through the link to AMA volumes? Are new bins created for each volume
or
> do the existing bins just relink during the process?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Rupert Watson" <rupert@...> wrote:
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > as I understand it the AMA link is created as a function of the UNC
> path at which the virtual volume is found.
> >
> > If, for whatever reason, the relationship between the editing
computer
> and the disk on which the virtual volumes is changed, the UNC path
will
> change. In this instance the AMA link will be broken, but as you say
the
> media is found again as soon as you go throught the link to AMA
process
> again on the file menu.
> >
> > Rupert Watson
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
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> <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> on
> behalf of Greg Huson
> > Sent: Fri 2/5/2010 10:43 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA
> >
> > No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
> > to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of
'virtual
> > cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
> > process is.
> >
> > I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
> > understanding...
> >
> > gh
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Greg Huson
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Raj Rodrigues wrote:
> >
> > > Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you
> > > on? Does
> > > Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet.
> > > Good to
> > > know though.
> > >
> > > Raj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on
local
> > >> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears
> > >> offline-
> > >> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just
> spun
> > >> down.
> > >>
> > >> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to
> > >> this
> > >> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new
> bin
> > >> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there
footage
>
> > >> is.)
> > >>
> > >> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point
directly
>
> > >> to
> > >> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
> > >>
> > >> gh
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