the same building as VFX. The VFX Avid does have an old DNxHD board
for the Adrenaline box. For that material he has been having to take
sequences and rebatch them in at HD and then cut the vfx in for the
review sessions. Then I have to import the vfx into the SD project
and cut them in again for the edit. There are going to be a lot of
vfx on this show. A whole lot. Less work for both of us. Making
preview tapes will be easier for the screening room that has a HD
projector now. And then also making HD picture for the pre-dub stage
to work with. It'll be a lot better all the way around for a lot of
people. Probably mostly me. If we were much farther into the process
I would probably just finish the off-line in SD, but I feel that the
benefits will be worth it. And how I feel about it counts for a lot
since I'll be the one doing the work. And if it totally sucks then
everyone will probably get to hear about it. And finally, because I
want to and I can be really damn stubborn at times.
Jay
On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:16 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> Why not finish it in SD as you've already started and then when
> finished do a traditional online in HD. What benifits in particular
> are you expecting from dnx 36. If you are working in a 16x9 mode
> with anamorphic downconverts I don't know what the benifit would
> be. If your working with letterboxed down converts then yes there
> will be issues of effect positioning etc... when translating to the
> HD online.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
>>
>> But I need all the source material since we are not done with the
>> edit. Yea, this upgrade is happening about 3 months later than it
>> should. And I suspect that this move from SD to HD is going to get a
>> bit painful. But I believe that the benefits are going to be worth
>> it
>> in the end.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jay
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:06 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused too. The imported audio is the variable I have little
>>> experience with. For the Video you can take a sequence cut in ntsc
>>> 23.976 and convert it to HD 23.976 and this will modify the souce
>>> code to 24 frame code the downconverts were made from. Then
>>> decompose the sequence and recapture from the masters to dnx 36.
>>> The issues of 30 fps based wave file imports from a Deva are unknown
>>> and very scary to me. Mommy make all these scary time code monsters
>>> go away!!!! If you need all the raw material that's a reason I
>>> could see to go back to you original capture bins and modify those.
>>> Please keep us informed on what seems to work Jay.
>>>
>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> I am missing something here. He is coming from 23.976 NTSC to
>>>> 1080/23.976p @ DNX36.
>>>> The frame count is the same.
>>>>
>>>> I think I misread something here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DQS
>>>>
>>>> phillipsm wrote:
>>>>> I wish it were that easy! The metadata and everything around it is
>>>>> based on a 30fps base and is part of the clip internal metadata
>>>>> (MOB, etc.). Just switching the project over to HD will not work
>>>>> for 23.976/24 - only for formats that are of the same timecode/
>>>>> edit rate like 25 and 30.
>>>>>
>>>>> The START and END need to be within the :00 - :23 frame range.
>>>>> While your :00 workflow works for the START, it may not be true
>>>>> for the END. Also durations would need to adjusted because of the
>>>>> 2:3 pulldown relationship.
>>>>>
>>>>> You would need to export an ALE, adjust END to not be higher
>>>>> than :
>>>>> 23. Don't include "duration" as part of the ALE, that will be
>>>>> recalculated from the import. Go back to the original V only
>>>>> master clips.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sound TC from your BWF would need to be considered as well. What
>>>>> was the original timecode rate used in production? If you import
>>>>> those into a 23.976/24 project, the timecode will be recalculated
>>>>> to a 24 frame source, but the original 30fps will be lost. If
>>>>> 30fps is the original rate, you are better positioned and halfway
>>>>> there. Keep your original BWF bins and import, make sure you
>>>>> duplicate START into SoundTC. The SoundTC continues to count as 30
>>>>> even in a 23.976/24HD project, but this is how you will maintain
>>>>> the original TC and lists for later. Using The 30fps timecode in
>>>>> the START from a "project tab change" continues to count as 30,
>>>>> but with no consideration for pulldown - so EDL's will be off if
>>>>> START is used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rebatch capture from the ALE, resync new subclips and your sources
>>>>> are fine... Sequences would need to be modified via the "modify
>>>>> command" then a relink done. Now... I have never tried the relink
>>>>> at the end to clips that are both tape based (picture) and import
>>>>> (BWF) so you may be entering new territory there... I remember
>>>>> this being done on "Gone Baby Gone" and it was painful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since they are the same frame rate,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just change the project format to 1080p/23.976 and batch digitize
>>>>>> away. The workflow is very similar to NTSC 30i to 1080i/59.94.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything else will fall in to place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dom Q. Silverio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, I'm told that we have our DX upgrades on order. Once I get
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> in I'm going to want to move our current project from MXF 3:1 to
>>>>>>> DNxHD36. Now the project is NTSC/23.976/FilmMatchback. All
>>>>>>> shots
>>>>>>> were logged from DVCam downconverts of SR/23.976 camera tapes.
>>>>>>> Almost
>>>>>>> all or our clips were logged starting at the even second
>>>>>>> (xx:xx:xx:
>>>>>>> 00). All the clips are AutoSync to audio from the RAM disk from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> DEVA. We already have sequences cut of a bunch of the material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is batch digitizing those clips logged as SD into HD as easy as
>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>> and batch digitize? Or do I need to modify the master clips to
>>>>>>> be HD
>>>>>>> then batch digitize? Or do I need to export a ALE file and
>>>>>>> reimport
>>>>>>> it? Am I going to need to resync all my footage? Will the cut
>>>>>>> sequences relink and update?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will be moving from MC v3 to MC v4.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone had suggestions or can point me to a link or a page
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> manual I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dom Q. Silverio
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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