--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
>
> Letterboxed down converts for one. And picture department is now in
> the same building as VFX. The VFX Avid does have an old DNxHD board
> for the Adrenaline box. For that material he has been having to take
> sequences and rebatch them in at HD and then cut the vfx in for the
> review sessions. Then I have to import the vfx into the SD project
> and cut them in again for the edit. There are going to be a lot of
> vfx on this show. A whole lot. Less work for both of us. Making
> preview tapes will be easier for the screening room that has a HD
> projector now. And then also making HD picture for the pre-dub stage
> to work with. It'll be a lot better all the way around for a lot of
> people. Probably mostly me. If we were much farther into the process
> I would probably just finish the off-line in SD, but I feel that the
> benefits will be worth it. And how I feel about it counts for a lot
> since I'll be the one doing the work. And if it totally sucks then
> everyone will probably get to hear about it. And finally, because I
> want to and I can be really damn stubborn at times.
>
> Jay
>
> On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:16 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>
> > Why not finish it in SD as you've already started and then when
> > finished do a traditional online in HD. What benifits in particular
> > are you expecting from dnx 36. If you are working in a 16x9 mode
> > with anamorphic downconverts I don't know what the benifit would
> > be. If your working with letterboxed down converts then yes there
> > will be issues of effect positioning etc... when translating to the
> > HD online.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@> wrote:
> >>
> >> But I need all the source material since we are not done with the
> >> edit. Yea, this upgrade is happening about 3 months later than it
> >> should. And I suspect that this move from SD to HD is going to get a
> >> bit painful. But I believe that the benefits are going to be worth
> >> it
> >> in the end.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jay
> >>
> >> On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:06 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm confused too. The imported audio is the variable I have little
> >>> experience with. For the Video you can take a sequence cut in ntsc
> >>> 23.976 and convert it to HD 23.976 and this will modify the souce
> >>> code to 24 frame code the downconverts were made from. Then
> >>> decompose the sequence and recapture from the masters to dnx 36.
> >>> The issues of 30 fps based wave file imports from a Deva are unknown
> >>> and very scary to me. Mommy make all these scary time code monsters
> >>> go away!!!! If you need all the raw material that's a reason I
> >>> could see to go back to you original capture bins and modify those.
> >>> Please keep us informed on what seems to work Jay.
> >>>
> >>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael
> >>>>
> >>>> I am missing something here. He is coming from 23.976 NTSC to
> >>>> 1080/23.976p @ DNX36.
> >>>> The frame count is the same.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think I misread something here.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> DQS
> >>>>
> >>>> phillipsm wrote:
> >>>>> I wish it were that easy! The metadata and everything around it is
> >>>>> based on a 30fps base and is part of the clip internal metadata
> >>>>> (MOB, etc.). Just switching the project over to HD will not work
> >>>>> for 23.976/24 - only for formats that are of the same timecode/
> >>>>> edit rate like 25 and 30.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The START and END need to be within the :00 - :23 frame range.
> >>>>> While your :00 workflow works for the START, it may not be true
> >>>>> for the END. Also durations would need to adjusted because of the
> >>>>> 2:3 pulldown relationship.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You would need to export an ALE, adjust END to not be higher
> >>>>> than :
> >>>>> 23. Don't include "duration" as part of the ALE, that will be
> >>>>> recalculated from the import. Go back to the original V only
> >>>>> master clips.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sound TC from your BWF would need to be considered as well. What
> >>>>> was the original timecode rate used in production? If you import
> >>>>> those into a 23.976/24 project, the timecode will be recalculated
> >>>>> to a 24 frame source, but the original 30fps will be lost. If
> >>>>> 30fps is the original rate, you are better positioned and halfway
> >>>>> there. Keep your original BWF bins and import, make sure you
> >>>>> duplicate START into SoundTC. The SoundTC continues to count as 30
> >>>>> even in a 23.976/24HD project, but this is how you will maintain
> >>>>> the original TC and lists for later. Using The 30fps timecode in
> >>>>> the START from a "project tab change" continues to count as 30,
> >>>>> but with no consideration for pulldown - so EDL's will be off if
> >>>>> START is used.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rebatch capture from the ALE, resync new subclips and your sources
> >>>>> are fine... Sequences would need to be modified via the "modify
> >>>>> command" then a relink done. Now... I have never tried the relink
> >>>>> at the end to clips that are both tape based (picture) and import
> >>>>> (BWF) so you may be entering new territory there... I remember
> >>>>> this being done on "Gone Baby Gone" and it was painful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Since they are the same frame rate,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just change the project format to 1080p/23.976 and batch digitize
> >>>>>> away. The workflow is very similar to NTSC 30i to 1080i/59.94.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Everything else will fall in to place.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dom Q. Silverio
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ok, I'm told that we have our DX upgrades on order. Once I get
> >>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>> in I'm going to want to move our current project from MXF 3:1 to
> >>>>>>> DNxHD36. Now the project is NTSC/23.976/FilmMatchback. All
> >>>>>>> shots
> >>>>>>> were logged from DVCam downconverts of SR/23.976 camera tapes.
> >>>>>>> Almost
> >>>>>>> all or our clips were logged starting at the even second
> >>>>>>> (xx:xx:xx:
> >>>>>>> 00). All the clips are AutoSync to audio from the RAM disk from
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> DEVA. We already have sequences cut of a bunch of the material.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is batch digitizing those clips logged as SD into HD as easy as
> >>>>>>> select
> >>>>>>> and batch digitize? Or do I need to modify the master clips to
> >>>>>>> be HD
> >>>>>>> then batch digitize? Or do I need to export a ALE file and
> >>>>>>> reimport
> >>>>>>> it? Am I going to need to resync all my footage? Will the cut
> >>>>>>> sequences relink and update?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We will be moving from MC v3 to MC v4.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If someone had suggestions or can point me to a link or a page
> >>>>>>> in a
> >>>>>>> manual I would really appreciate it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> Jay
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dom Q. Silverio
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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