Not so clear your awnser ;) (maybe because you sent it from a black berry). I've seen you have a Uk shop, could you then evaluate the price of an 16x500gb archion storage ?
The major thing i've seen on the avid disk firmware is : Different vendor ID, modified dick size, and an avid log ...feature i think that isn't needed by a unity to work , only for avid feedback on their broken drive.
Archion claims to be compatible with the UNITY 3.x to 5.x because of the Vdisk system , with i'm sure emulate specific FC drive for filemanager to recognize them.
The strange thing is that on this same topic, someone succeded putting non avid disk array in a unity system , and he was talking only about a certain exact size, not special magic firmware stuff.
Does he listen to us ?? !! Jeff Sengpiehl /docavid !! need u here ;)
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> In addition to other things, itks the Avid firmware on the drives.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "acefxeditor" <acefxeditor@...>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:46:58
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Trick my Unity
>
> Re,
> Well ,because i already have a second hand avid filemanager with a valid 4.1.2 unity dongle licence with 11 fiber seat on it and a supermicro san chassis with 16x500gb raid disk & Atto 4gbfiber on it....
> The only missing part of my installation is the way to mount my storage on my existing unity.
> I will be a little bit sad to drop my supermicro chassis to buy, what seems to be exactly the same thing but produced by archion.
>
> By the way what's the difference between archion stuff and my san chassis...
> In fact i'm interested to know what are the online fiber disk caracteristic needed for my filemanager to recognise my hardware as valid storage & use it like a mediarray.
>
> -Does The online fiber LUN have to show the correct size ? or vendor ID, or something else ? Plz ;)
>
> Alex
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Watson" <rupert@> wrote:
> >
> > Rather than try and do that as a science project why don't you either
> > buy a Terrablock v4 system or a second hand Unity and add Archion
> > storage to it?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rupert Watson
> >
> > +44 7787 554 801
> >
> > www.root6.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of acefxeditor
> > Sent: 29 January 2010 09:54
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Trick my Unity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi !
> >
> > This is an old subject ;) but , well maybe some peole will respond to
> > it.
> > I'm in a tiny tiny tiny post production company and we are running for
> > now a hybrid solution : Metasan setup, with avid virtualisation on a 2gb
> > fiber network assisted with a Gig ethernet.
> >
> > But, well not really the best system, kind of buggy&laggy sometimes, and
> > there is not way to share project as unity is doing it
> >
> > So i started to invistigate : What is inside a unity !
> > -Mediarray XT : Simple motherboard, P4, 1 or 2 Go ddr2 ram.
> > An Atto celerity 41ES /XS 4gb fiberchannel hba
> > A 3Ware 9650se 16port raid adapter in JBOD
> > Some enterprise class drive : in my example Hitachi ultrastar 500gb with
> > special avid firmware on it.
> >
> > Software :
> > -Simple XP pro( Xp wtf?!?)
> > -3ware 3dm2 manager
> > -Avid IBOD , Who has a double function : first it check the drive and
> > the raid harware to be sure it's the good chassis and second it activate
> > the drive to simulate some fibrechannel class one and promote it along
> > the fiber network as target.
> >
> > The thing i'm trying to do is build my own mediarray XT chassis from a
> > supermicro one. For now i got exactly the same hardware that the
> > mediarray one except my disk are not avid rebranded one. I have 24
> > Seagate 500gb with the same firmware/size 16 for the mediarray and 8 for
> > sparing the unity old days ;).
> > And Avid IBOD is telling me it : error -1 not avid drive
> >
> > So how i can make Avid Ibod accept my disk ? Do they have to be exatly
> > the same size of original avid one ? do i have to manage to flash my
> > drive with a custom firmware to rebrand the disk vendor ID = AVID ?
> > I already tried to put some virtual drive target on the fiber network
> > with a great linus distro OPEN-e DSS who let you make a virtual disk and
> > promote as fiber drive target but the filemanager doesn't seems to even
> > take care or look at it ...
> > Is it possible that the 4.2.x version of unity is now checking the drive
> > and refuse to promote it if it's not avid certified one ?
> >
> > Thanks for your awnsers
> > Alex
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> , Jay
> > Mahavier <jay_mahavier@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you very much. That make very clear sense. I appreciate the
> > > time you took to write your post. I feel that it is going to be
> > > extremely helpful.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > > On Aug 6, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Wilson Chao wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yeah, it was me - I've used generic (non Avid) drives on Unity -
> > > > actually, they were used/re-furbed Seagate drives from eBay, at
> > about
> > > > 10% the cost of Avid drives. This was way back in the day, before
> > > > Avid got anywhere near reasonable with their storage pricing. I'm
> > not
> > > > claiming it makes the same economic sense today.
> > > >
> > > > There's actually nothing secret nor magic here. And although it's to
> > > > Avid's advantage to sell their own branded drives, they've not
> > > > conspired, nor embedded any secret code in their software to require
> > > > such (though it would be easy to do).
> > > >
> > > > You simply must use a set of drives, all of whose firmware *claims*
> > > > they are EXACTLY identical in size. Not a big trick, at least when
> > > > you're originally purchasing new drives. If you buy a dozen
> > > > "identical" drives through an online retail distributor, you're
> > likely
> > > > to get 12 drives from the same manufacturing batch, with the exact
> > > > same firmware rev., with the actually identical *claimed* size. OK,
> > > > fine. Unity has no problem striping these "identical" drives in a
> > > > group.
> > > >
> > > > But a year later, when you go to buy another dozen drives, and you
> > > > order the exact same model, you'll likely receive 12 more drives
> > with
> > > > a different firmware rev. from the first dozen, with a different
> > > > *claimed* size. Unity can stripe this second dozen together with
> > > > themselves, but it won't combine them with the first dozen into a
> > > > group of 24. This isn't convenient, but it's workable.
> > > >
> > > > Where you'll crash & burn is if you have all your "identical" drives
> > > > striped together, and you lose a single drive, so your Unity slows
> > to
> > > > a glacial pace & asks you to mount a spare so it can rebuild. And
> > you
> > > > FedEx your single bad drive back & the manufacturer sends you back a
> > > > replacement drive. Uh-oh... That warrantee replacement is the "same
> > > > model" but with the current firmware rev., with a different
> > *claimed*
> > > > size. Unity refuses to group it with your older drives, you can't
> > > > rebuild, & you're "tits up in a ditch".
> > > >
> > > > Avid works around this by writing their own firmware onto their
> > > > drives, *claiming* that they're all the same size. Note that
> > > > Avid-firmware drives aren't physically any more or less identical
> > than
> > > > the manufacturer-firmware drives, they just *claim* to be. So you
> > can
> > > > always count on Avid drives being compatible for Unity, unlike 3rd
> > > > party drives.
> > > >
> > > > Practically, this means that for Unity use, 3rd party drives HAVE NO
> > > > WARRANTY because their warranty replacements are un-stripable. If
> > > > you're willing to buy a bunch of spares up front to keep on the
> > shelf,
> > > > go ahead. (You can always use those pesky replacement drives for
> > some
> > > > low-bandwidth applications.)
> > > >
> > > > And yeah, I gotta agree w. Jeff S. If you have inhouse skills
> > > > sufficient to install, maintain, & troubleshoot a Unity, go ahead.
> > If
> > > > not, don't.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/6/08, Jeff Sengpiehl <docavid@> wrote:
> > > > You need to ensure that all the drives match in size exactly, which
> > > > means that ALL of those drives have the same firmware, which means
> > > > the same firmware size. You also will need to have enough spares to
> > > > cover your ass in case of difficulties.
> > > > Can you? yes Should you? Depends on your skill level with Unity
> > > > Do I recommend it? If you have a full time Unity ACSR (Or more then
> > > > one), on staff, and just down the hall from the system, sure, why
> > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/6/08, avid_curren <tcurren@> wrote:
> > > > Not true. Another prominent member of this list had success
> > replacing
> > > > drives in Unity in the past. As I recall, the only trick is to make
> > > > sure all the drives match in size exactly. Maybe he will chime in
> > > > here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "dishon.bilgory"
> > > >> <dishon.bilgory@> wrote:
> > > > drives and the FM is programmed to not accept drives that do not
> > have
> > > > the modified firmware. To succeed in this you would probably need to
> > > > do some hacking of the drive firmware.
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