Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Mac Smoke Official

"are you talking HD? What flavor?"

Uncompressed 444 and 422.

"That is really amazing."

Yes. Yes it is.

"One with input and only monitoring output. You would need a full DS
to go out to tape. "

You can go out to tape from the assist, but can not capture from
tape. IMHO, this is backwards.

" Having a 5 seat DS facility playing nicey nicey sharing projects and
media would be one way to solve my problems."

Yours and many others! You can share media, and projects, but you
can't have 2 people in the same project at the same time (which blows).

"now wouldn't it be interesting if I could have a software version of
DS running on the same machine or network as Symphony and be able to
maintain a "linked container effect" in my Symphony timeline which is
dynamically tied to a DS timeline"

You can kinda do that, in that you can have a DS assist running on the
Symphony box and farm off effects without exporting media. Then
render them out in DS and re-link clips.

" Even nicer if the final render is managed via the Symphony..."

You really don't want to do that, IMHO. DS supports many different
bit depths and color spaces that are often necessary for proper
rendering of some effects, not to mention the agonizing amount of time
it would take to process.

"... or if applicable real time performance could be maintained. "

Therein lies the rub. DS just has so much horsepower that it would be
all but impossible to preserve any of it in realtime in such a
totally different software architecture like the one found in
'traditional' Avid products.

-G

On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:09 AM, chris magid wrote:

> UMMM...are you talking HD? What flavor?
> That is really amazing.
> I am lucky...very lucky to get dual streams of DNX HD 220 out of our
> Symphony to tape. A lot of variables there. Usually end up having to
> render A LOT.
> So with your information it seems that there is more justification
> now for a DS Software only product. One with input and only
> monitoring output. You would need a full DS to go out to tape. If
> you were doing file based masters or export files for other edits
> all realtime performance would disappear. That would still give the
> full DS room to protect its price premium.
> However we really digress here. Having a 5 seat DS facility playing
> nicey nicey sharing projects and media would be one way to solve my
> problems. Really what I am after is getting some of the warts out of
> Symphony...including multi-stream performance.
> As an aside...now wouldn't it be interesting if I could have a
> software version of DS running on the same machine or network as
> Symphony and be able to maintain a "linked container effect" in my
> Symphony timeline which is dynamically tied to a DS timeline. Oh,
> lets say a little like Avid FX works. Myself or another editor could
> work difficult areas in DS and "publish" or auto-update my Symphony
> timeline. Even nicer if the final render is managed via the Symphony
> or if applicable real time performance could be maintained.
> Hmmm. May be a lot to think about there. I'll get back to you.
> Chris MagidRTVF
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Gus <gustheeditor@mac.com> wrote:
>
> From: Gus <gustheeditor@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Mac Smoke Official
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 11:24 AM
>
>
>
> "DS has jumped to the AJA card/GPU which I suspect also has lower
> performance. Therefore less of jump in performance from a DS assist
> station to full blown DS. A gap too narrow to justify two products
> with.
>
> Could DS users confirm my suspicions on Nitris vs AJA performance
> (to tape or output)?"
>
> Certainly!
>
> Quite simply, the current, non-Nitris DS blows the Nitris hardware
> away IMHO. The Nitris hardware had hardware support for 2 guaranteed
> real-time streams of Uncompressed 422 video. The AJA card was needed
> for 444 resolutions, and that was originally single stream only.
>
> Fast forward to today, and DS V10.1.2 on a z800 with a SAS array
> will play many streams of uncompressed 444 with RT effects (a couple
> of color corrections and a few DVE's simultaneously) off the AJA
> card with no 'Avid' hardware. And that's ready to go to tape, not a
> preview. Using the nVidia card DS will do the same amount of RT in
> 2K. This capability extends down proportionally into SD and 422 HD
> streams as well.
>
> As far as the Assist Station, it's real value is either farming off
> effects for someone else to do on it, or using it as an ingest
> station for file based conforms (like from native RED files). It is
> also capable of outputting to tape or files. When not using the
> assist for those purposes, it can be used for remote processing of
> non-realtime effects, so the work never stops.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> -Gus
>
> On Friday, November 20, 2009, at 09:03AM, "chris magid"
> <chris_rtvf@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >
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