bucks when the individual products are so much more expensive.
I mean, even if I didn't own MC, Squeeze standalone would be more than
twice as much as the bundle. Why would anyone ever buy the standalone
app?
2009/11/17, John McClary <johnnyq_@yahoo.com>:
> Thank you Dave,
> I stand corrected as I found the Mac versions of
> Media Composer Production Suite on the store (my former 'sources' were
> Boris.com and our PC-only AvidFX from Adrenaline - hence the AFAIK). So I am
> going to grab these and give them a try.
> http://shop.avid.com/store/product.do?product=288865114926256
> I also humbly admit to caffeinated image-degradation frustration on a
> current project - which I will hopefully be relieving with this bundle.
>
> John McClary
>
> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv> wrote:
>
> From: Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:49 PM
>
>
> John -
>
> Avid FX is cross platform. You can update all Avid 3rd party apps for $200
>
> total from Avid. Look on the avid.com store.
>
>
>
> And cut back on the lattes.
>
>
>
> Dave Spraker
>
> Account Executive & Avid Specialist
>
> Professional Video and Tape
>
> 503.810.3642 - cell
>
> AIM: dAVID at PVT
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
> Of
>
> John McClary
>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:21 AM
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com
>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
>
>
>
> As far as I know, AvidFX is not available for Mac. And the cost to upgrade
>
> BCC to the current versions is outrageous. I can buy another upgrade of
>
> After Effects and some particle effects for the same price. Incredibly, for
>
> the full cost of BCC for Avid I can buy a standalone version of everything
>
> Boris has [Red, Blue, BCC, FEC (ICE'd?) ] so ....
>
> John McClary
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker. <mailto:avid% 40spraker.
> tv>
>
> tv> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Dave Spraker <avid@spraker. <mailto:avid% 40spraker. tv> tv>
>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups <mailto:Avid- L2%40yahoogroups .com> .com
>
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:19 AM
>
>
>
> Steve -
>
>
>
> I agree that P&S is a POS - they should just take it out. But why not use
>
>
>
> BCC or Avid FX? Clean, simple, part of the sequence.
>
>
>
> Dave Spraker
>
>
>
> Account Executive & Avid Specialist
>
>
>
> Professional Video and Tape
>
>
>
> 503.810.3642 - cell
>
>
>
> AIM: dAVID at PVT
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
>
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:Avid- L2@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
>
> Of
>
>
>
> Steve Hullfish
>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:26 AM
>
>
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
>
>
>
> Chris is PREACHING NOW BABY. Great couple of recent posts, Chris. Well
>
>
>
> thought out. I hope someone at Avid is listening, because you've
>
>
>
> summarized what they need to accomplish to remain relevant.
>
>
>
> I agree with a lot of this. The latest Media Composer hassle for me
>
>
>
> was trying to do moves on a bunch of hi-res stills for a recent
>
>
>
> freelance gig. HORRIBLE! The producer - to my horror - said "This is
>
>
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> so easy to do in FCP." I had to agree! It's sad. Pan and Scan is a
>
>
>
> total joke. I understand that the architecture of the Avid won't
>
>
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> support the same functionality as FCP in terms of using hi-res
>
>
>
> sources, but at least have a work around that EVENTUALLY looks good. I
>
>
>
> had to take all of the moves (hundreds of them) into After Effects and
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>
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> then export and import them. THey ended up looking great, but at a
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>
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> price tag in a LOT of wasted time.
>
>
>
> You are correct in that many of Avid's tools are OK, but not good
>
>
>
> enough for a real on-line finish. Color Correction is definitely
>
>
>
> showing its age. No decent secondary color correction. Horrible DVE.
>
>
>
> Mediocre CG or a move to Marquee which looks good, but nobody seems to
>
>
>
> want to use. FCP in this category is actually far worse than Avid. But
>
>
>
> Premiere is actually miles BETTER.
>
>
>
> Recent changes in getting multi-frame- rate source material into Avid
>
>
>
> sequences is a GREAT step in the right direction, but so much of the
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>
>
> effects portion, beyond simple editing (which is obviously rock solid
>
>
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> on an Avid) is truly bad.
>
>
>
> The funny post about "if an integrated environment is so important,
>
>
>
> then why isn't everyone using Adobe? With Terry's answer of
>
>
>
> "Premiere." Maybe Adobe should buy Avid and solve two problems with
>
>
>
> one merger. Adobe would own a good, recognized editing solution and
>
>
>
> Avid would learn how to be integrated and effects-friendly. Plus, I'm
>
>
>
> sure all of those Tewksburians would love to move to sunny San Jose.
>
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:01 PM, chris magid wrote:
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>
>
>> A few points.
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>
>
>> 1-Thrid party plug-ins do not play nice with native effects in many
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>> cases.
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>
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>> 2-Third party plug-ins are available across many different systems
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>> and therefore do not give any editor that relies on them a
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>> competitive advantage. Especially an editor which has such a heavy
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>> reliance on them.
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>> 3-Managing stacks of third party of plug-ins is cumbersome in Avid's
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>
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>> current nesting architecture. A real bitch with imported alpha
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>
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>> material or combinations which must be repetitively applied.
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>
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>> 4-Composer's track to track alpha behavior and handling of alpha
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>
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>> material in general curtails the effectiveness of plug-ins as
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>> compared to their use on other systems.
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>>
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>> 5-The use of third party plug ins with items such as titles requires
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>> the destruction of the ability to revise those titles easily.
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>
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>> 6-It is really a poor excuse when you have to say things like "sure
>
>
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>> the Avid has a DVE built in, but I wouldn't use it for anything
>
>
>
>> really important". Why are the tools there if they don't work well
>
>
>
>> or are feature poor in their original 1995 to 1999 iterations?
>
>
>
>> Doesn't this reflect on the poorly on the entire Composer experience
>
>
>
>> and Avid as a company. Crap. Only half of the things on the feature
>
>
>
>> sheet can be used acceptably in most professional situations. Even a
>
>
>
>> soft edged wipe or vignette can be problematic. I want to be able to
>
>
>
>> move a static graphic around without issue. I want a soft shadow or
>
>
>
>> color correction on my key. IS THAT SO WRONG?
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>
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>> 7-Performance. The much touted realtime advantages of Symphony/
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>> Composer DX degrades almost completely when using 3rd party plug ins
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>> or helper applications.
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>> 8-Control and quality. Some plug ins are better than
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>
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>> others...sapphire and BCC look good. But not all plug ins are 10 or
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>> 16 bit. And all plug ins operate differently in image handling.
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>> Bouncing your picture around different bit depths, color conversions
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>> and processing certainly can't help.
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>
>
>> I want to do SIMPLE THINGS in the Avid environment with the tools
>
>
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>> Avid provided which claim to perform those specific functions. I
>
>
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>> also would like a couple steps forward just a little more towards
>
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>> the features and functions which have become commonplace in modern
>
>
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>> post production.
>
>
>
>> Generally, if the button is there you should be able to push it and
>
>
>
>> have good things happen. If not, you have built a Kia instead of a
>
>
>
>> Cadillac...umm make that instead of a Lexus.
>
>
>
>> Chris MagidRTVF
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>
>
>>
>
>
>
>> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell. net> wrote:
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>>
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>
>
>> From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell. net>
>
>
>
>> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: And Now a Word About Online Finishing
>
>
>
>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com
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>
>
>> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:41 PM
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>>
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>> When I started linear editing everything I did went straight to air.
>
>
>
>> 3/4 to 1 inch and then 1 inch to 1 inch show composite. There was
>
>
>
>> clean and trace but that didn't fall into play on most magazine
>
>
>
>> television and documentary work that I worked on. So saying there is
>
>
>
>> no more online is really nothing new to me. Back in those days your
>
>
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>> effects choices were dictated by which switcher and what DVE you
>
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>> had. So in essence you had to learn a new device or piece of
>
>
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>> software/hardware all the time. Having to go to AE from Avid is very
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>> similar although the complexity of the software today makes it
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>> harder to master than the crop of DVE's we dealt with back in the day.
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>>
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>> Curious how many of the short commings you have with Avid's effects
>
>
>
>> are available in BCC which comes bundled? Do you find things like
>
>
>
>> Avid FX and BCC also suffer from poor image quality etc...?
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>
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>>
>
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>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com, chris magid <chris_rtvf@ ...> wrote:
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>> THERE IS NO MORE ONLINE...THERE IS NO MORE OFFLINE for most projects.
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