Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT: Rates?

I don't really disagree with anything here. But who knows what will happen in the next ten years? This price differential may go away as FCP penetrates more markets, Avid itself may go away, there may be a temporary dip in editor wages, which then rebound when younger producers finally learn that it makes sense to pay more for editing talent.
Actually, there's a sense in which my own rate has dropped, because my day rates have fallen behind inflation, not to mention that they completely fail to reflect the experience I've gained since these rates were first established. Nonetheless, I have more work now than I ever have had, and I even have a few basic benefits through my union, and those things offset the basic matter of day rates.
Actually, in my market editors have weathered the collapse in film funding and the atomization of the cable broadcast market pretty well. The ones who have suffered horribly are my clients, who seem to be expected to do their job for the love of it. They're working longer days for less than they made before, and it's truly shameful.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT: Rates?

But both of you basically proved my point. I'm not saying that FCP
editors are worth less, I'm saying that for various reasons - which
you both pointed out, FCP editors in general get less than Avid
editors. Whether it's because of experience of the editor or the types
of productions or producers that tend to work on or own their own FCP
systems, the general rate for FCP editing is lower. I bet the bigger
cross-section of freelance editors you were to sample, the MORE true
this would be, because you get a lot more low-end systems, doing low-
end work that were FCP. DON'T FLAME ME. I'm not saying FCP is for low-
end work, I'm just saying that if you take every market in the country
or the world you end up with a lot of FCP systems - instead of Avid
systems - that are doing the bad corporate work, weddings, local TV
spots, and those people are not getting paid as well as people with
the better work.

The higher end corporate stuff and higher end projects are on BOTH
systems, but the lower end is predominantly FCP or Premiere or
something else. Therefor it brings down the overall rate of those
editors.

On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:25 PM, guanacaa@aol.com wrote:

> Absolutely, it's not really about which software you use. In my
> market I find the salient difference is the type work, and the FCP
> work just tends to be done by producers with less money.
> Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oliverpetersvidy <oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 4:39 pm
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: OT: Rates?
>
> Actually I think it's not really accurate to typify FCP rates as
> lower than Avid
> rates. What seems to be happening is that there are more FCP systems
> and more
> potential FCP editors than Avid editors.
>
> Those shops that still use and value Avid editors are used to
> working with and
> looking for more experienced editors and know they will have to pay
> accordingly.
> They don't have much choice. It's a bit different in the FCP world.
> More people
> to chose from and you really have to prove to a client that you are
> worth the
> additional money.
>
> In my main market - central Florida - there's little difference in
> rates based
> on type of project, platform or offline vs. online. Some people get
> more than
> others based on who they are and whether a client values that
> difference. In
> general, the variation in rates typically has a $30/hour spread
> between average
> lowest and average highest. No minimum or maximum. No OT. Discounts
> based on
> weekly or other long form schedule structures.
>
> What I do find, is that it's very hard to get paid additional for
> your gear. If
> you work out of your house or bring gear to the job, you can get
> your asking
> rate for you as an editor; but, you often have to give away the use
> of the gear
> or bill it out at a very low rate, compared to actual rental or
> facility rates.
>
> - Oliver
>
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