Re: [Avid-L2] ROI period for equipment... #OffTopic #post

When I have to do screenings I'll lavish a bit more attention on the output. I mix down the Dialogue, Music and Effects into three separate buckets then go in and tweak them all individually. Then I mix that down into a stereo track (I rarely prepare test screeners in 5.1), and that's what's used in the theater for tests or other early screenings.

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On Sep 25, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Job ter Burg (L2) <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:

In my world, I end up having to do WIP screenings in theaters, sometimes with test audiences, without any time or money to have a sound team do a mix pass. So my cutting copies are all done at around 80dB in a well treated room, and I can export for playback pretty much at any given time during the process.

But I fully get what you're saying.

J

On 21 Sep 2020, at 17:10, David Dodson <davaldod@gmail.com> wrote:



I've done so many movies now that — in my experience — close enough is good enough, primarily because I am not the last stop on the Good Sound Express.

Every room, every system, sounds different, just as every cinema will sound different. It's impossible for me to get bunged up about precision because as the offline editor, it's simply not the primary focus of my work. As long as I'm confident I'm hearing clear, intelligible dialogue, as well as a decent enough approximation of the offline "mix," then I'm happy and can't angst over it.

Needless to say, people's individual bailiwicks determine their specific need for aural precision.

My $.02.

David

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On Sep 21, 2020, at 7:24 AM, JBeck <jb30343@windstream.net> wrote:

Sure Job,  I should qualify this by saying that I'm not a sound mixer. 
I do appreciate good sound and I appreciate good speakers, both for hifi
listening and spot on honest monitors.  If I were buying speakers (near
field, and under $1000 for a pair)  for an editing room today, I'd
probably buy Neumann KH80.  They are very honest throughout their range
and easy on the ears.  They are a little weak in the low end so if
you're mixing for release, a supplemental woofer would be a good idea,
just to make sure there's no low end rumble that might be a problem.

In my own editing room I have a pair of vintage EV Sentry 100-EL. Part
of that is due to sentimentality.  I'm a big fan of vintage EV stuff. 
The Sentry 100 was a industry standard in its day.  It's not as fast and
honest as what can be had today.  OTOH, I have been listening to them
for a very long time plus I have two pairs at home so I know what to
expect.  If there's a problem in the sound, I usually catch it.  Again,
I edit picture.  I don't mix sound for a living.

I tend to agree with you're buddy.  A lot of it comes down to personal
preference.  I've done enough experimenting with designing my own
speakers to know that it's a complicated business.  Room design and
treatment is too. --J.B.

Job ter Burg (L2) wrote:

Hi JB,

What's your preferred brand/type of speaker, if I may ask?

Before I switched from Genelec 1030 to 1031 for my LCR's, I auditioned
the Dynaudio LYD48's. Had a couple of sound editors/mixers in the room
and compare some tracks on the LYD48's and the 1031's. Funny thing
was, I didn't think there was that much of a difference, to be honest.
They were very, very similar. Of course, there were subtle
differences. The Dynaudio fans in the room felt the Genelecs sound too
harsh, the Genelec fans felt the Dynaudios sounded too 'hi-fi'. But
these were two 'Nordic' brands, there might be more difference when we
were to add a pair of Neumanns, JBL's, PSI's, ADAMs, Meyers, etc.

I later discussed this with another sound buddy, who essentially said:
there's a great many offerings from different brands. It's basically a
matter of A. budget, and B. taste. There's no real wrong choice.

And on a whole different note: many editing rooms I walked into had
terrible acoustics to begin with. No matter which speaker you place in
a bad room, it won't sound great. Best sound investment I ever did was
room treatment.

J

On 21 Sep 2020, at 01:47, JBeck <jb30343@windstream.net
<mailto:jb30343@windstream.net>> wrote:

Bouke. Not exactly a troll. I've been on the L since the mid 90's as
have you. I value your opinion but on this, we can disagree. As I
said, I haven't listened to Genelec's recent offerings. I hope they
have improved. JB

On Sep 20, 2020, at 5:41 PM, bouke <bouke@editb.nl
<mailto:bouke@editb.nl>> wrote:

 I did not read all, and I DO have Genelecs, and mr, Icepick is a
troll, but:
A 1500 USD refurb HP workstation makes a screaming good Avid.

There is no need whatsoever for over expensive stupid Macs. (And
that's the case for many years.)

Bouke

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On 20 Sep 2020, at 22:55, Secret HQ <Greg@SecretHQ.com
<mailto:Greg@SecretHQ.com>> wrote:

Oh, man, for a minute there I thought you were talking about real
estate and I got all interested. (1031 is a tax deferral system for
investors.)

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On Sep 20, 2020, at 13:46, David Dodson <davaldod@gmail.com
<mailto:davaldod@gmail.com>> wrote:

 I cut with Genelec 8020B's. I love them. Really, really terrific
- to my ears, anyway.


Davaldod
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On Sep 20, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Job ter Burg (L2)
<Job_L2@terburg.com <mailto:Job_L2@terburg.com>> wrote:

Awww, come on…

Love my 1031's. J

On 17 Sep 2020, at 23:49, JBeck <jb30343@windstream.net
<mailto:jb30343@windstream.net>> wrote:

Every Genelec monitor I've listened to made me feel like someone was
poking an ice pick into my ears.