Correct me if I'm wrong because I've been very Mac Centric for almost a decade now but in the PC world IIRC legacy OS systems are more readily available than in the Mac world.
If I buy a new Mac it comes with the current available OS at the time. So if my new mac comes with macOS 10.12.6 but Avid wants 10.12.4 I'm sort of hosed. If I've had the forethought to download the the first version of a new OS I'm not sure how I get that on the new computer to reinstall the system so it's a previous version. Back revving a mac is tedious at best from what I've been told using Pathafist or whatever it is.
So could I take my .0 installer that I have on my desktop of my computer and put it on a new mac I bought and reinstall an earlier version? To start over with a .0 release. As I mentioned in the thread the program I've used a program to supposedly make bootable usb drive versions of the OS installer but they have been iffy. Some times I've had to set the system clock back to trick the time out of the various installers and one other time I got an error saying some how the drive couldn't be verified or some such warning and it wouldn't work.
What has worked solidly is the installers I copy to the desktop after downloading the version from the app store but I've never copied those over to another computer to run on. If I have a new mac with 10.12.6 on it and I copy my 10.12.0 full installer to the new computer and run the installer to make the new mac a 10.12.0 OS will that work? When I've been able to use bootable flash drive installers I know I can boot to the usb drive then install a clean install on the internal system disk but If I'm running the installer from the desktop of a new computer can I still do a clean install?
If there are these many hoops to go through to back rev a PC computer then I would find that aspect just as unprofessional as I do Apples. Of course I want them to improve with point releases but the obstacles seem more punitive than helpful to the professional market. Most of the engineers I've worked with just do some form of carbon copy clone to accomplish these tasks.
---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :
- The Mac App Store is the source for ONLY the latest OS release. If you
are looking for ANY OTHER release, you will NOT find it in the Mac App
Store.
- Every person who purports to maintain Apple editor workstations MUST go
download and save the first release of any released OS. This is the ONLY
way (legallly) you can be assured of later being able to install the
specific OS release you need when it comes time for you to upgrade your OS.
- Every time Apple releases a "dot" release of an OS, they make three items
available:
- the FULL OS installer (ONLY found on the Mac App Store and ONLY
available until the next "dot" release)
- the incremental "dot" release updater (ONLY found on the Mac App Store
if you have that OS and ONLY available until the next "dot" release)
- the combo updater (always available on support.apple.com) which
includes the incremental "dot" upgrades PLUS any Apple Security Updates up
to the date of the combo updater's release date
So the smart way to maintain systems is:
- upon new full version OS release, download and hold onto the
installer. This is the .0 release and can be subsequently updated to any
"dot" release by first installing it, then downloading and installing the
combo updater for the "dot" release version you desire
It's simple enough to abide by that system if you intend to maintain Apple
editor workstations.
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Apple's really only in the business to provide systems. They're relatively
unconcerned at this point with making sure some software that was released
a few years ago still runs. That's your job. I don't think it's
unprofessional of Apple to offer their OS releases this way. I would think
it unprofessional if they did not maintain and patch their OS regularly.
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:08 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <
Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>
> I'm still curious what the incremental combo update results would be
> compared to running the update install at the app store. Given I already
> installed 10.12 it makes sense to run the combo update for the point
> release I want but would the results be noticeably different from just
> running the software update in the App Store?
>
> Also is there any way to find a legacy standard install for 10.12.5, or
> any other older point release? For example if I went to get a Sierra OS
> from scratch now the full installer I would download would give me 10.12.6
> not the full install of 10.12 that I downloaded back when the OS first came
> out. That's the pain in the arse we all deal with if you don't download a
> new OS right when it comes out it seems problematic to get a full install
> for an OS for anything other than the current point release version of the
> OS.
>
> Bottom line is if I hadn't downloaded the Sierra install when it first
> came out what would I do to find a full install (not an update) that would
> allow me to load up 10.12 and update from there? Fortunately in this case
> I'm not stuck but I'm sure to miss first releases in the future.
>
> I've also run a utility that makes the installer into a bootable flash
> drive installer which has worked in the past but then it started to require
> setting the system clock back to a date before the installer expired. But
> lately even with the trick of setting the clock back when I've tried to use
> the flash stick it balks with some error about not a recognized or valid
> drive. I am running the install successfully from a copy if the Sierra
> Install I copied on my desktop from the Apps folder after initially
> downloading the Sierra Installer from software updates.
>
> It really always feels very unprofessional the way Apple makes users jump
> through hoops to access any legacy OS needs. It's almost like they only
> care about selling iPhones etc...
>
> Do you think if I took Tim Cook out for an OKI Dog he could change this to
> help me and others ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <jeff@...> wrote :
>
> Hi John,
> Your description - starting with 10.12, then run the combo update for
> 10.12.5 is exactly how I'd do that update.
>
> The app store will always give you the latest greatest - which is kind of
> the opposite of what you need for dealing w/ Avid software.
>
>
> Is there a way to find the standard updates of earlier point releases like
> 10.12.4 for example?
>
>
>
> Yup - just google '10.12.4 combo update' and you'll usually end up with
> the link you need. (just make sure you are downloading from
> support.apple.com, and not some other site!)
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------------
> Jeff Hedberg
>
> Director of Operations
> Union Editorial
> 575 Broadway,6th floor
> New York, NY 10012
>
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:28 AM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <
> Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> I just learned more about macOS Combo updates. I downloaded the original
> Sierra installer when it first came out so when I ran it for my recent GPU
> install I ended up with macOS 10.12. Avid likes macOS 10.12.5 for the
> latest Media Composer 8.8.x. All I could find in the app store update was
> 10.12.6. I googled around and found this link for older Combo macOS
> updates.
>
>
> Apple - Support - Downloads <https://support.apple.com/downloads/combo>
>
> I read that the combo update will update through all the necessary point
> updates so in my case it would take 10.12 to 10.12.1 to 10.12.2 etc... up
> to 10.12.5 which is my target OS. IIRC in the past people warned about
> combo updates but at the time I read that I didn't understand what it meant
> to be a "combo update"
>
> Most people use the app store I assume. What would be the real difference
> in running the combo macOS update for 10.12.6 and running the standard
> update for 10.12.6 that is currently on the App store.
>
> So far the combo update is the only thing I've found for 10.12.5 which is
> no longer on the App store. All the google links I find searching for
> 10.12.5 update pop up to a 10.12.6 update in the app store. I understand
> the incremental nature of the combo update but what would be the difference
> between me running a 10.12.6 combo update on my now 10.12 macOS and running
> the standard App Store 10.12.6 update? Does the standard App Store 10.12.6
> miss elements that would be amassed from sequential incremental updates?
>
> What are the practical differences to combo vs. standard update.
> According to my initial google combo updates are helpful to system
> administrator who have to update a number of computers to a common OS point
> release but the computers may all be starting from different point release
> versions. I guess there would be more consistency if all updates were
> incremental so that any extra code stuff should be more symmetrical in all
> the computers.
>
> I'm beginning to think that the standard updates are just like the
> complete install I just did to 10.12 but if I went to update through the
> app store the full update would have ended up right at 10.12.6 at this time
> but given I downloaded the installer a long time ago when 10.12 just came
> out and if I downloaded it now it would start at 10.12.6 with no way to get
> back to earlier versions. I know that's why it's suggested to download new
> macOS's as soon as they come out so you can always start at the beginning
> and update up to the point release you want.
>
> Is there a way to find the standard updates of earlier point releases like
> 10.12.4 for example?
>
> John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...
>
>
>
>
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