Tuesday, July 19, 2016

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Teranex pulldown removal (was) Resolve 12.5

 

I have had a fair bit of disappointment over the years from buying equipment which is touted to do something and then in practice fails. This was just another to add to that pile. The Blackmagic Teranex 2D has worked on about half its claims. For less than a tenth of the price of its predecessor, I guess I'm OK with that, but realistically, I know that we all work in a field where time is money, and the time I've spent diagnosing why some equipment or software doesn't do what it claims is just more to add to the 'expense' column. I concentrate my life on creating systems that are fail-proof. Creating methods to handle footage issues which fix them 100% of the time. I am sure we're all working to that end on different days, so I wanted to be clear that this particular claim by the marketing materials about this piece of equipment should not be trusted, and even though it might work some of the time, in my experience, that's not 100% and therefore it should be avoided.

Sorry for being sensitive about this, it's just easy to get defensive after having been burned before. In this case, it's a piece of equipment whose quirks I have little tolerance for.


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:47 AM, Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com> wrote:
Well now I've gone and gotten my wires crossed as well. I feel like a mixed cadence sequence…

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com> wrote:
Not you, John. Terry's reply had a hint of a backhand I didn't care for.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:40 AM, tcurren@aol.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Mark, I'm sorry if you thought I was attacking your professionalism. That is not my intent at all. BM sells Teranex as being able to handle reverse telecine on the fly. We have had success doing that, but it wasn't obvious in any way. Might the Snell & Wilcox box be better? Maybe. Is the price difference worth it? Not to us. If it doesn't work for you, sure, go to the "cut up the sequence in MC and go shot by shot having it find the cadence" approach. But what if it does work as it has for us? Wouldn't that be a huge timesaver?



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :

Not worth it. I only need to try something and have it fail on me once in order to know it doesn't work. And I don't like the implication that I don't know how it's supposed to work or don't know what settings to use to make this work. It does not work. It might work sometimes. To me, that is as good as saying it does not work. "Sometimes" is not worth the effort of capturing something only to have to go through it cut by cut to see it fail in places.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:09 AM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Suffering from flash fields is not the same as random cadence.  Flash fields are that extra field of a different shot because the cut happens on a split frame of an already edited segment, often referred to as flash frames, perhaps this is just a bit different terminology than I'm used to.  With random cadence you don't get flash frames just the cadence is different for each shot.  I know you know this.  I guess one interpretation of flash field could be when you pick up a shot on a split frame and it's still the same basic image but only one field of it before the next moment in time.  It sounds like this unit does what I'm asking for.  Which specific Teranex model are you using to do this?




---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <tcurren@...> wrote :

Read what it says: "even when the footage has been previously edited and suffers from flash fields." We have had success using it to do just that. Yo do have to get all the settings right. And sometimes it goes awry. But for the most part it does exactly what you are asking it to do which the old Teranex (Before BM purchase) also did.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bigfish@...> wrote :

But does that count for random cadence material.  Me thinks I'll have to contact BM support for clarification on the specifics of that function.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <tcurren@...> wrote :

John writes:
"Say I'm given a finished show as a source and that show is random cadence like happened in all shows back when they would cut in a 29.97i project with material that had 2:3 pulldown added."

Cadence Detect and Remove

Teranex is unique because it can automatically remove cadence (3:2 pulldown) from video when converting 24 fps, even when the footage has been previously edited and suffers from flash fields. That's perfect for mastering clean online content!






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