This IS the Avid L2: Re: [Avid-L2] Getting Premier Audio out to Avid the Saga Continues?

Monday, December 14, 2015

Re: [Avid-L2] Getting Premier Audio out to Avid the Saga Continues?

This might be an historic thing.

The original cmx format allowed one letter an was mono. A - audio, V - video, B - both.

Later cmx allowed audio 2 but audio 3 and 4 were added as comments below the edit. Check that you edl settings allow comments.

Otherwise you could create additional duplicate sequences and delete the top 2 audio tracks so 3/4 become 1/2 and create an edl from there.

Mike

On 14 Dec 2015, at 1:49 AM, John Moore bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

While I've had decent success getting the video EDL to work to migrate a simple Premier project, cuts and dissolves from a multicam sequence the audio is proving a challenge. I can't get Premier to export an aaf without vaporizing before an aaf is created. The offline editor was able to generate aafs but the drop box download keeps crashing. Also the unpredictable Premier aafs may or may not work. Our mixer had one project that was horrible and one that was for the most part okay. His suggestion has been to embed the audio in the aaf as that is what worked on the last project he got from premier. It was in no way perfect but the majority of tracks came in in sync.

Today after my edl success with the video I thought I'd try the same thing with audio. I don't quite understand the edl export dialogue box which shows 4 tracks, the edl audio channel basic limit, and then a pop up box for each track in the sequence so you can map them to the 4 possible edl track. The funny thing is in the pop up window to choose tracks it says Audio 1 - Channel 1, Audio 1 - Channel 2, Audio 2 - Channel 1. Audio 2 - Channel 2 etc... through the 9 tracks in the sequence. None of the tracks are stereo tracks so I set the Audio 1 thru 4 to Audio 1 - Channel 1, Audio 2 - Channel 2 etc... When I view the EDL exported I see edits listed as "A" for A1 and "A2" for A2 edits but no "A3" or "A4". I do see edits types listed as "None" which makes me wonder if there is confusion about Channels 3 and 4 in the edl export. Also the source time code seems unrelated to the actual sound clips .wav time codes in the project. Some Edits show what appear to be proper tape names based on my cutting and pasting the file names into Premier's Tape Name column and removing the .wav extension but some just show AX as the Tape source even though there is a comment that lists what looks like the correct source file and tape name from withing Premier. All very strange and I'm beginning to wonder if this is related to the fact that the sequence was cut with mulitcam clips, or whatever the proper Premier term is multigroup clips. The groups are titled sync stacks in the project and I notice whenever there is an EDL clip comment that lists the Sync Stack the corresponding tape source is listed as AX so clearly the group clip seems to effect audio EDLs. Funny the video didn't seem to have this problem.

As per a suggestion here I'm sending to Audition and making omfs there to see if they work. Unfortunately the file size is to big for an embedded OMF. I get an error message saying the OMF will exceed the 2 gig limit for OMFs. Really isn't this an old limitation? Audition seems to call embedded "encapsulated" but I assume they mean the same thing. I found it curious that if I choose to use reference clips to avoid the omf size limitation I then have a choice of entire clip or trimmed clips. Clicking trimmed clips actually says it will make a much larger file. I guess given these are hour long takes of a stage show if you break up the sections there must be some duplicate media. I choose to use entire clip but then when Audition creates the OMF with reference media there are a ton of clips in the resulting folder. Given I choose entire clip I would have figured it would have just made approximately the same number of audio clips as I have in the original Premier project and the omf would just know to reference the needed sections but that does not appear to be the case. I won't know if these omfs work in ProTools until the mixer is in later this week.

I originally thought my edl issues were being caused by the sequence be set to stereo and not something like Avid's Direct out for audio. The only choice I see in sequence settings for audio in premier say stereo and it is greyed out and I can't change it. Right clicking on the sequence and trying to modify the audio channels from stereo to adaptive seemed to be moving in the right direction but it didn't really seem to change anything on the sequence EDL and it seemed that even though I was right clicking on the Premier sequence it was more of a clip setting than a sequence setting. I'm sure this makes sense in Premier world but I've not landed in Premier world yet. I've only crashed here on accident and it seems like the whole planet is run by Damn Avid hating, EDL mangling Apes. How can this be happening in 2015? ;-)

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net