My approach to edit suites it to get the best terminal gear I can so no matter what system I use I have confidence in the monitor path. I use a safe color limit in Avid in conjunction with an external legalizer from Ensemble. The Ensemble unit isn't very good and pales in comparison to the standard VideoTek Harris legalizer so I use both. Now that part of my deliverables are files the Safe color limit is manditory.
I don't think there is a clear right or wrong here but in my world when I'm on the phone with a QC Monkey and they tell me they have a Tek scope then I know we are talking the same language. Of course Leader and Harris are comprable. In these conversations if I started sighting my observations from an Ultrascope I might as well just start re outputting the show because they will not take me seriously. That's just the way it is.
Like Steve I too own my own scope and I have a Sony OLED monitor which I bring into jobs where they have inadequate terminal gear. I like to get paid for the equipment but have on occasion just brought it in so I could do a better job and hopefully get more work from the client. For me the speed and efficiency I get with the dedicated Tekronix waveforms justifies the scope and monitor. I feel it's part of my job to have the tools that allow me to have confidence in the final product in a multitude of different suits and environments.
Hinging the price of the scope on the price of the edit software is not something I do. What if I start with FCPX and then later add Flame to the room. I know you have the tools in Flame to handle the scope needs but I'm always a fan of a external 3rd party unit to maintain standards regardless of what generates the images. What you feel is excessive is to me the price of admission and it helps me aspire to do better work.
I'm still waiting to run my dsl through the cat 6 cable to see if it works better so you could say I'm a dreamer, but I hope I'm not the only one. ;-)
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Mikeparsons.tv" <mikeparsons.tv@...> wrote:
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> I tend to really fly using the overlaid rgb resolve waveform and parade when grading. I also put a broadcast safe lut on all my renders so I never think about gamut errors.
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> I also mostly finish on flame and smoke which have a very nice soft clip so again my concerns about gamut are negligible.
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> I still find 90% if freelancers have no idea how to read any component scopes!
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> 5k for a scope in a works where avid sells for 1k and even smoke can he had for 3.5k is excessive. I had a bunch of old tex scopes I gave away as the ultrascope did everything I needed and the resolve came with excellent built in scopes.
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> I personally never grade in avid but if I did I can certainly stay within broadcast safe without too much effort.
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> Mike
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> > On 10 Nov, 2013, at 8:36 am, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
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> > Can't say I agree here. Once I went Diamond I never want to go back. I do know roughly what the speed limit is but I still want mph markers om my speedometerr. I is flesh tone and for consistency I like it displayed on my vectorscope. I bet the nurse probably knows what 10 ml. Of thorozine is in the syringe but I'm glad the needle manufacturers haven't removed the marking on needles. For well under 5K a quality dedicated scope can be had from bstock or the used market. I need my tek scope way more than I need 4k. Oh but I forgot 4K is dead to us on the L2. ;-)
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Mikeparsons.tv" <mikeparsons.tv@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's lacking only when compared to 50,000 buck omnitechs and much more engineering oriented scopes.
> > > It's more than adequate for delivery if any network show as a tech check.
> > >
> > > I work in pal so u and v are up/down and left/right if I and q vectors are such a big deal you can china graph them in your screen for much less than the cost of another scope, but if you don't know where they are by now...
> > >
> > > I look at them as being the ev, hamlet or systems video scopes of today. Sure they aren't tex scopes but they get the job done.
> > >
> > > However I love the r g b overlaid big waveforms in the davinci scope set and I keep asking grant to put that in ultrascope as an option instead of the video display. Is also like a diamond and bow tie but I believe these are not licensed.
> > >
> > > Having said that the histogram display means my photoshop people can now use a scope as that alone helped them understand what's going on... There's more to scopes these days than a bow tie or diamond display.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > > On 10 Nov, 2013, at 2:47 am, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How would you define basic work? Presence of signal and basic signal integrity? There is no doubt the Ultrascope can be used to deliver a show but as you say it is lacking for color correction. What tasks do you throw at the Ultrascope and what do you assign the more functional scopes?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <tcurren@> wrote:
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> > > > > LOve the cost, hate it for color correction. For basic work, it's more than adequate. Take an old PC, add a new OGL 2 GFX card (less than 100 bucks) and you now have a scope.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bigfish@> wrote:
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> > > > > The Ultrascope while functional, and I have color corrected shows with them by bringing in my own Tek 601A to have access to the diamond display I like to offer an additional screen, are a very basic layout with no I and Q vectors and no expanded vectorscope function. Someone please correct me if these deficiencies have been addressed. Many have been asking for I and Q for years, it's just a little graphic file that you overlay to the vector display section which can't be much work, but alas it seems to fall on deaf ears. This lack of refinement is something I won't put up with in my day to day work.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you need the scope for? The Ultrascope does offer error logging but I've found the EBU preset overly sensitive so I've had to detune that to avoid unnecessary error alarms.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is support and performance worth to you. I am a huge fan of Tektronix on all levels. They cost more but what is failing QC and a redelivery worth to you. I've been able to able to get a b stock scope at over 50% off and it's paid for itself in the first few jobs.
> > > > >
> > > > > On multiple occasions I've sent screen shots of waveforms that a QC Monkey has flagged directly to the Tektronix field engineer and he gave me an expert opinion. On every occasion I've been able to talk the QC Monkey off the ledge and avoid a redelivery that would cost in the neighborhood of $3,000.00 dollars in machine time fed ex etc.... Just once and my scope almost paid for itself.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also Tektronix offers all kinds of great tech seminars in many areas of the country for free. To me that means a lot and I like to support that old school we've got your back approach. When I purchased my scope it took a while for it to get delivered and when I had a job for it come up the folks at Tek sent me a loaner until my unit arrived.
> > > > >
> > > > > So in my opinion it's better to pay more up front for all the extras you get with Tektronix. Leader and Harris/Video Tech have some decent units and I've been helped by them too but never to the extent that Tektronix has for me so I would strongly encourage checking them out and seeing what deals they can offer. You might be pleasantly surprised as I was.
> > > > >
> > > > > As always any mention of Monkeys is meant with the kindest regards to our primate friends and the QC community at large.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <blafarm@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed. Good for general use -- but not on-par with dedicated scopes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It does scale nicely in a facility where every room does not require scopes at the same time -- and where HD-SDI has been homerun to a central machine room. In that scenario, the Ultrascope computing platform simply lives in the machine room and every studio can access it using a KVM Extender over Cat5/6.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alternatively, you could purchase the PocketScope and a qualified laptop -- and just move the laptop around as needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you're formulating a CapEx budget, be sure to include the cost of a fully-qualified hardware configuration, as UltraScope (PCIe or USB3) does not play nice with many computing platforms. I learned this lesson the hard way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com mailto:avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <mikeparsons.tv@> wrote:
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> > > > > > It's fine for general use I have one on my smoke but I really wish I could get the resolve scope as a standalone.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9 Nov, 2013, at 4:00 am, Tim McLaughlin <mcltim.156@ mailto:mcltim.156@> wrote:
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> > > > > > I'm creating my 2014 tech budget and a recent project reminded me that we REALLY need something like this.
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> > > > > > Please let me know if you love it or hate it and why.
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> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Tim McLaughlin
> > > > > > Final Cut, Avid and Premiere Pro Editor
> > > > > > http://vimeo.com/mcltim http://vimeo.com/mcltim http://vimeo.com/mcltim http://vimeo.com/mcltim
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