Thanks for shedding light on the subject Roger.
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger Shufflebottom <rogershuff@...> wrote:
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> Exposure is certainly not to be taken darkly! Oh, hang on, we can fix it in post.
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> With Best Wishes,
> Roger Shufflebottom
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> > From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@...>
> >To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 22:45
> >Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: MC7 looks great!
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> >Hey my daughter is studying Rhetorical Devices in school. Did I unknowingly use a Rhetorical Device here? And no that was not a Rhetorical question. '-)
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> >--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger Shufflebottom <rogershuff@> wrote:
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> >> " exposure was not something to be taken lightly."
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> >> Ho Ho - very droll.
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> >> ÂÂ
> >> With Best Wishes,
> >> Roger Shufflebottom
> >> +44 7973 543 660
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> >>
> >> >________________________________
> >> > From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@>
> >> >To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 9:15
> >> >Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: MC7 looks great!
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> >> >All good points in the world of DOPs but even back in the day the crews for Eye on LA were just camera and sound with HL-79s and boy did they make some pretty pictures with little more than a lowel light kit. Of course some of the best of them had started on 16mm reversal for news so they new that exposure was not something to be taken lightly.
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> >> >--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Mikeparsons.tv" <mikeparsons.tv@> wrote:
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> >> >> Because back in the day we art directed on set not in post. Wardrobe was approved, props and set colours were approved and locked in. The dop lit for the exact effect he wanted and if it needed more red on backdrop added a red gel. They shot Macbeth charts and in telecine we put the dots in the boxes and the job was done colour wise with minimal exposure tweaks to satisfy the 30:1 limitations of tv.
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> >> >> It took longer to become a dop back then than to become a brain surgeon. Now all it takes is a web browser and a credit card.
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> >> >> But more than lack of training or experience comes the client demands in post. On FINAL viewing of a finished master its not uncommon for the end client to say "that guy in the background is wearing yellow - we can't have that it's a competitors colour" and because we can we fix it. Then once that can of worms is open its rabbit season and before you know it we're tweaking everything with 100 layers of tracked masks and wipes and vignettes and dodgy keys.
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> >> >> Add to that the fact that the camera technology changes every 6 months so that we are on what our 4th gamma setting for red? Too many options means too many mistakes and the post guys get to fix it.
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> >> >> ACES is an attempt to fix this but the first implementation is too manual. I'm pretty confident ACES 2 will be a simple header data addition that everyone reads and the software be it avid smoke of whatever automatically adheres too. In your output settings you will set a device transform be it monitor or projector and that will be it. No luts no custom curves or gamma just automated linearity. Of course we will still have to correct everything as the new generation believe reds marketing that exposure is a thing of the past and that contrast control is irrelevant but at least the finger pointing in the edit suite will stop.
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> >> >> Best regards
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> >> >> Mike
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> >> >> On 3 May, 2013, at 12:53 PM, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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> >> >> > For the first two decades of my professional career I delivered all kinds of network and cable shows where I had 4 TBC controls and a zaxcom some of the time to memorize settings. I've often wondered why with advances in technology on the camera side we seem to have to work so much harder than before to make the picture look okay. Yes those were the days of composite analogue video but the content I dealt with was much more consistent than I get today. I know today anybody that can hold a camera is considered an operator on many reality shows etc... and shrinking budgets don't help. Can someone tell me why, when they are building what I assume are better cameras shouldn't they be making better looking pictures so we don't have to rely so much on color correction?
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> >> >> > When I didn't have the tools I probably didn't notice a lot of things that I'm sensitive to now but it sure seems a lot harder to get a consistent looking product these days. People use to not be able to afford multicamera shoots so that plays into it too but there will always be a part of me that realizes I use to do this stuff with 4 knobs and a few playback machines and nobody said it looked bad. I think Steve's comments about the Symphony color correction tools fall very much in line with my old school thinking. I don't need the world but some better secondaries and power windows would be nice. Oh and if the Artist Color worked that would be nice too. ;-)
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> >> >> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
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> >> >> > > The reason to use the built in CC tools - such as they are - especially with Symphony is to get access to the incredible speed and efficiency of relational color correction. Baselight is clearly more powerful than the standard Avid cc tools, but lots of color correction doesn't need that much power. My guess is that Terry does if for the speed. And we're all here to get paid - get in, get the job done and go home. Obviously we all want to do a good job, but there's a lot of color correction that can be done well without moving to a more powerful solution. I'm not trying to cheerlead for the Avid CC tools. Nobody has complained more about them than me. But there ARE reasons that Avid's tools are actually better in ways than others, including Baselight (which I love.)
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> >> >> > > Steve Hullfish
> >> >> > > contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> >> >> > > author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
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> >> >> > > On May 2, 2013, at 8:29 PM, David C. Ballard <dave@> wrote:
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> >> >> > > > dynamic keys, trackers, shapes, i've used it and love it. forget symphony
> >> >> > > > and just do MC + Baselight
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