range being 16-235. The "Full Screen Preview" has the option to use 0-255,
but not the record monitor which is what we would be using with the laptop.
I'm a bit worried this might confuse things a bit re an EqualEyes
calibration. I'll try and demo it.
Anyone else out there using any other calibration packages to try and get
thier LCD colro to match rec709 video output?
Thanks!
best-
-Nat
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com>wrote:
> I'm using EqualEyes and Cinespace on my 10.6.2 MacPro. Works fine. I
> don't know specifically about Avid, but the whole point behind
> EqualEyes is that it works holistically on the entire computer, not
> inside of a program, so it should, in theory, work for Avid.
>
> Cinespace doesn't care which probe you use, so you can definitely use
> the Spyder. But the LUT and profile is only as good as the probe. I
> have an iOne and a Spyder. I haven't seen any difference between them,
> but with the higher level probes, like the iOne Design, you get what
> you pay for. One probe is $200 and the other is $3000 or something
> like that. THere's obviously a reason for the price difference.
>
> On Feb 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Nathaniel Jencks wrote:
>
> > Thanks Steve!
> >
> > I've actually had the chance to test out the CineSpace suite a few
> > times in
> > the past (but only on PC) and it seemed great.
> >
> > I was hoping that for this particular issue that either the X-rite or
> > Datacolor software would be adequate without stepping into the bigger
> > leagues and getting into Cinespace etc. Perhaps a higher end
> > solution like
> > EqualEyes would be the only way to get close with the laptop screen.
> >
> > Do you know if EqualEyes works correctly with OS 10.6 and Media
> > Composer
> > 4.0?
> >
> > E.G. will profiling to rec709 using the RSR rec709 profile result in
> > an
> > image that matches the SDI signal going to a rec709 monitor? I'm
> > worried
> > that gamma shift/ media composer funkiness/ OS 10.6 ColorSync
> > funkiness
> > might botch things up.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > best-
> > -Nat
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > So,
> > >
> > > Getting REC 709 to a Mac laptop - or anything else for that matter -
> > > requires TWO things.
> > > A monitor profile - which can be created with an iOne or Spyder and
> > > some software PLUS
> > > A LUT that takes that profile and says "Now that I have your monitor
> > > displaying the proper colors, we need to show you what the colors
> > will
> > > look like for an actual OUTPUT device." (Device being Rec 709,
> > > CCIR-601, or another monitor or film stock).
> > >
> > > I just did a very, very in-depth color correction training DVD for
> > > Apple Color (4.5 hours of basic + 4.5 hours of advanced training)
> > and
> > > it includes a tutorial on how to do exactly what you're talking
> > about.
> > > However, if you are serious about it, it's going to cost you some
> > cash.
> > >
> > > The run of the mill calibrators like the iOnes and Spyders are
> > decent
> > > and my monitor looks MUCH better after JUST the calibration with the
> > > Spyder, but it will take something of a slightly higher level, like
> > > one of the higher end X-Rite probes at about $5,000 to get really
> > > dependable results.
> > >
> > > THEN you have to add some software, like the Cinecube Visual 3D LUT
> > > creator from Cinetal (yes, the monitor people), to create the LUT
> > that
> > > turns your monitor into "Rec 709." Using the same piece of software,
> > > you can actually have a computer monitor get pretty close to a
> > > specific video monitor. You can also - through Cinetal's Davio
> > product
> > > - have an "off the shelf" plasma from Best Buy get VERY close to
> > > matching your highend reference monitor. This has great benefits if
> > > you are sending stuff off to a client and you want to ensure that
> > they
> > > are seeing the same thing you are. You can run a DAVIO at both
> > > locations and create a LUT that matches the two monitors in remote
> > > locations. Very cool.
> > >
> > > Cinetal also has a program called EqualEyes that takes the monitor
> > > profile and the LUT and applies it to your computer, so that if you
> > > aren't driving the LUT in the video monitor or through a Davio or
> > > through the LUT plug-ins that some programs have, you can still get
> > > proper colors. So you'd need all three things: monitor probe, LUT
> > > creator (Cinecube Visual), and EqualEyes. Though the monitor probe
> > > itself would be a good start.
> > >
> > > CineCube Visual has several pre-programmed outputs, like REC 709 or
> > > general film stocks that you can just plug in, or you can probe
> > > another monitor to come up with a LUT OR Cinetal will actually run a
> > > piece of specific film stock through the entire post-production
> > > process with your lab/DI house and create a LUT so that your monitor
> > > looks like the film stock that has actually been run through the
> > > entire exact same development, scanning, output process. So WYSIWYG.
> > >
> > > By the way, the DVD training will be out in about six weeks from
> > Class
> > > on Demand. I did it with Bob Sliga, who worked on the Apple Color
> > team
> > > from before they were at Apple (Silicon Color, FinalTouch days),
> > so it
> > > is definitely the most complete and definitive Color training on the
> > > market. I'm really proud of it. It teaches color correction AND the
> > > Apple Color interface.
> > > Plus there's all this additional material including tutorials on
> > > setting up and using a Tangent WAVE panel, special tips on
> > monitoring
> > > waveform and vectorscopes (both internal and Tektronix), calibration
> > > of monitors and creation of 3D LUTS. It cover everything, starting
> > at
> > > that simple moment of "Wow. I opened up this program and it sure
> > looks
> > > way too complicated to me." all the way through advanced tips that
> > > most experienced Color colorists probably don't know...yet.
> > >
> > > We even did a cool tutorial on white balancing video and matching
> > > scenes using a little device called a Spyder Cube, which is like a
> > > camera chart on a keychain. You've got to see it to believe it.
> > >
> > > Steve "still pimping my sh%t" Hullfish
> > >
> > > On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Nathaniel Jencks wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, I realize that even the subject line of this post will send
> > > > shivers up
> > > > the spine of many on this list... and rightly so.
> > > >
> > > > Understood that the only good way to get a decent rec709 image out
> > > > of media
> > > > composer is to send to an external video monitor via avid
> > hardware,
> > > > Matrox,
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > BUT... we have a mobile system that for mobility purposes cannot
> > be
> > > > attached
> > > > to an external monitor, and we would like to get this "as close as
> > > > possible"
> > > > to what we will see coming out via SDI via avid hardware to a
> > rec709
> > > > display.
> > > >
> > > > So my question for the list is... Is it advisable to use an i1 or
> > > > spyder III
> > > > probe to create an icc profile which makes the LCD to emulate
> > > > (vaguely) a
> > > > rec709 display, or is Media Composer actually assuming that the
> > > > display will
> > > > be a typical sRGB display, and adjusting gamma of the image
> > > > accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > Also, is there a difference in the way MC displays the image via
> > > > Full Screen
> > > > Playback, and when it is simply playingin the record monitor?
> > > >
> > > > I am also (perhaps too optimistically) hoping that since OS 10.6
> > is
> > > > using a
> > > > native gamma of 2.2 for the OS, that all the 1.8 vs. 2.2 gamma
> > non-
> > > > sense is
> > > > no longer an issue for media composer on snow leopard?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks all!
> > > >
> > > > Best-
> > > >
> > > > -Nat
> > > >
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