On Jan 12, 2022, at 5:26 PM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:A quick search revealsJayOn Jan 12, 2022, at 5:05 PM, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:iMac 27"32GB RAMMojaveMC 2018.9Started freezing on startup,sticks on 'loading color presets'.Is this the sort of issuetrashing the prefs would fix?Chip Hess
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On Jan 12, 2022, at 5:05 PM, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:iMac 27"32GB RAMMojaveMC 2018.9Started freezing on startup,sticks on 'loading color presets'.Is this the sort of issuetrashing the prefs would fix?Chip Hess
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On 11 Jan 2022, at 21:33, Jo's Mailinglists <lists@filter-media.net> wrote:@Job ter Burg:Interesting point: why would you prefer storage of i25 transferred to p50 over keeping it interlaced (aside horizontal resolution)?
Jochen "Jo" Hermannfilter Media PostproductionSalzburg, AustriaOn 10. Jan 2022, at 13:57, Job ter Burg (L2) <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:I'd say: same difference. Link the DV clips into a 720p50 project in MC, set Frameflex to 'Pillarbox', export as h264/h265 from MC.On 10 Jan 2022, at 13:51, crispinmholland <crispinholland@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks all for your helpful comments. Perhaps the word 'archive' was misleading. I will be keeping both the DV tapes and the original DV files captured via firewire, but I need to make smaller COPIES to distribute to family members... so bearing that in mind, do you have suggestions for a list of settings as per original post? Thanks very much indeed!
On 10. Jan 2022, at 13:57, Job ter Burg (L2) <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:I'd say: same difference. Link the DV clips into a 720p50 project in MC, set Frameflex to 'Pillarbox', export as h264/h265 from MC.On 10 Jan 2022, at 13:51, crispinmholland <crispinholland@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks all for your helpful comments. Perhaps the word 'archive' was misleading. I will be keeping both the DV tapes and the original DV files captured via firewire, but I need to make smaller COPIES to distribute to family members... so bearing that in mind, do you have suggestions for a list of settings as per original post? Thanks very much indeed!
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On Jan 11, 2022, at 8:50 AM, TrevorA <groups.io@siempre.free-online.co.uk> wrote:oh it'll almost certainly be quickest / easiest / best using Shutter Encoder - if you can find the right combination.
You can enter FFMPEG command line in the GUI but you could probably just scale to 704x576 'stretch' (thus your rectangular pixels become square?) and also use 2x YADIF deinterlace under advanced to get 50P, if you want to keep the temporal motion?Others will have better shutter encoder / ffmpeg knowledge...
oh it'll almost certainly be quickest / easiest / best using Shutter Encoder - if you can find the right combination.
You can enter FFMPEG command line in the GUI but you could probably just scale to 704x576 'stretch' (thus your rectangular pixels become square?) and also use 2x YADIF deinterlace under advanced to get 50P, if you want to keep the temporal motion?
Others will have better shutter encoder / ffmpeg knowledge...
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On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:51 AM, crispinmholland <crispinholland@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks all for your helpful comments. Perhaps the word 'archive' was misleading. I will be keeping both the DV tapes and the original DV files captured via firewire, but I need to make smaller COPIES to distribute to family members... so bearing that in mind, do you have suggestions for a list of settings as per original post? Thanks very much indeed!
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:19 AM, crispinmholland <crispinholland@gmail.com> wrote:
However, as DV is quite old school, I fancy making the files a lot smaller using the newer h.264 codec at around 3 - 5mbps,
On 9. Jan 2022, at 17:05, JBeck <jb30343@windstream.net> wrote:IMO, hard drives are pretty inexpensive. Do your posterity a favor and capture in the original codec, DV25. Reencoding is always lossy. Ways to upconvert DV (or whatever) will continue to improve. Once you throw data away, it's gone. Keeping a copy in its original codec is the best way to future proof it. A 2 TB drive will hold over 100 hours of DV. A second 2TB drive will give you a backup. JBOn Jan 9, 2022, at 9:19 AM, crispinmholland <crispinholland@gmail.com> wrote:Hello all. I'm digitising a load of old family PAL mini DV tapes using iMovie 10.0.5 on High Sierra 10.13.6 on my trusty Mac Pro 5,1 via Firewire, the beauty being that iMovie records continuously, but breaks each original clip into a new file and gives it the title e.g. 2007-08-16 15_52_43.mov - and as a person who loves accuracy and detail, this gives me great joy and delight.
However, as DV is quite old school, I fancy making the files a lot smaller using the newer h.264 codec at around 3 - 5mbps, BUT I am conscious that PAL DV is 720 x 576 with non-square pixels, but only 704? horizontal pixels are visible. BTW these files are just for posterity, not for future editing.
So, my question is, should I simply re-encode using h264 and keep all dimensions & pixel aspect ratio the same as per the DV PAL 601 standard? My only worry with this approach is that with future technology, the ability to interpret the rectangular pixel shape might fall by the wayside as time marches on.
The other option is this: should I try to wrangle the footage into pure 4:3 shape e.g. 768 x 576 with square pixels so that it will always display correctly? But then of course, there is the issue of 704 visible pixels, so presumably this will leave a small black pillarbox?
I have Adobe Media Encoder and I am also just trying out Shutter Encoder, although I can't find any reference to 'pixel aspect ratio' in the latter.
Two more things: Should I map to 0-255 levels? And, should I de-interlace? Oh learned ones, what settings would you use?
Thanks so much for any helpful advice!
On Jan 9, 2022, at 9:19 AM, crispinmholland <crispinholland@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all. I'm digitising a load of old family PAL mini DV tapes using iMovie 10.0.5 on High Sierra 10.13.6 on my trusty Mac Pro 5,1 via Firewire, the beauty being that iMovie records continuously, but breaks each original clip into a new file and gives it the title e.g. 2007-08-16 15_52_43.mov - and as a person who loves accuracy and detail, this gives me great joy and delight.
However, as DV is quite old school, I fancy making the files a lot smaller using the newer h.264 codec at around 3 - 5mbps, BUT I am conscious that PAL DV is 720 x 576 with non-square pixels, but only 704? horizontal pixels are visible. BTW these files are just for posterity, not for future editing.
So, my question is, should I simply re-encode using h264 and keep all dimensions & pixel aspect ratio the same as per the DV PAL 601 standard? My only worry with this approach is that with future technology, the ability to interpret the rectangular pixel shape might fall by the wayside as time marches on.
The other option is this: should I try to wrangle the footage into pure 4:3 shape e.g. 768 x 576 with square pixels so that it will always display correctly? But then of course, there is the issue of 704 visible pixels, so presumably this will leave a small black pillarbox?
I have Adobe Media Encoder and I am also just trying out Shutter Encoder, although I can't find any reference to 'pixel aspect ratio' in the latter.
Two more things: Should I map to 0-255 levels? And, should I de-interlace? Oh learned ones, what settings would you use?
Thanks so much for any helpful advice!
On 9 Jan 2022, at 16:19, crispinmholland <crispinholland@gmail.com> wrote:Hello all. I'm digitising a load of old family PAL mini DV tapes using iMovie 10.0.5 on High Sierra 10.13.6 on my trusty Mac Pro 5,1 via Firewire, the beauty being that iMovie records continuously, but breaks each original clip into a new file and gives it the title e.g. 2007-08-16 15_52_43.mov - and as a person who loves accuracy and detail, this gives me great joy and delight.
However, as DV is quite old school, I fancy making the files a lot smaller using the newer h.264 codec at around 3 - 5mbps, BUT I am conscious that PAL DV is 720 x 576 with non-square pixels, but only 704? horizontal pixels are visible. BTW these files are just for posterity, not for future editing.
So, my question is, should I simply re-encode using h264 and keep all dimensions & pixel aspect ratio the same as per the DV PAL 601 standard? My only worry with this approach is that with future technology, the ability to interpret the rectangular pixel shape might fall by the wayside as time marches on.
The other option is this: should I try to wrangle the footage into pure 4:3 shape e.g. 768 x 576 with square pixels so that it will always display correctly? But then of course, there is the issue of 704 visible pixels, so presumably this will leave a small black pillarbox?
I have Adobe Media Encoder and I am also just trying out Shutter Encoder, although I can't find any reference to 'pixel aspect ratio' in the latter.
Two more things: Should I map to 0-255 levels? And, should I de-interlace? Oh learned ones, what settings would you use?
Thanks so much for any helpful advice!_._,_._,_
Hello all. I'm digitising a load of old family PAL mini DV tapes using iMovie 10.0.5 on High Sierra 10.13.6 on my trusty Mac Pro 5,1 via Firewire, the beauty being that iMovie records continuously, but breaks each original clip into a new file and gives it the title e.g. 2007-08-16 15_52_43.mov - and as a person who loves accuracy and detail, this gives me great joy and delight.
However, as DV is quite old school, I fancy making the files a lot smaller using the newer h.264 codec at around 3 - 5mbps, BUT I am conscious that PAL DV is 720 x 576 with non-square pixels, but only 704? horizontal pixels are visible. BTW these files are just for posterity, not for future editing.
So, my question is, should I simply re-encode using h264 and keep all dimensions & pixel aspect ratio the same as per the DV PAL 601 standard? My only worry with this approach is that with future technology, the ability to interpret the rectangular pixel shape might fall by the wayside as time marches on.
The other option is this: should I try to wrangle the footage into pure 4:3 shape e.g. 768 x 576 with square pixels so that it will always display correctly? But then of course, there is the issue of 704 visible pixels, so presumably this will leave a small black pillarbox?
I have Adobe Media Encoder and I am also just trying out Shutter Encoder, although I can't find any reference to 'pixel aspect ratio' in the latter.
Two more things: Should I map to 0-255 levels? And, should I de-interlace? Oh learned ones, what settings would you use?
Thanks so much for any helpful advice!
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On Jan 4, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't think that applies here. Reading through that link it looks like that applies to dongles that are licensed to run v8 or newer. The dongle I have is licensed at v4. It was last blasted on 1/22/10. So it's not a newer license trying to run an older software. BUT…Mark's suggestion of installing the Sentinel drivers totally did work.Good times.JayOn Jan 4, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Job ter Burg (L2) <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:You can't run anything prior to 5.5.4 anymore:https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/compatibility/Using-a-Media-Composer-8-0-Symphony-Option-or-NewsCutter-Option-license-to-activate-a-previous-versionOn 4 Jan 2022, at 21:34, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:This is for probably for the old timers.I pulled an older MacPro (5,1) off the shelf. Formated the drive and installed OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) on it and ran updates. Then installed Media Composer 4.0.5 on it (if you REALLY need to know why and can get in to that later, but does it really matter?). MC seems to be fine. But the system won't see the dongle.The dongle is recognized on my regular Media Composer system. Avid Link sees the dongle and tells me the system ID and serial number and also tells me that it's perpetual for v4 of Media Composer.But I put the dongle back onto the system I'm setting up and it doesn't see it. The dongle is recognized as a device on the USB when I check System Profiler. But Dongle Manager does not see the dongle at all and says No Dongle Found. The version of Dongle Manager I installed is 7.0.2Also, Dongle Manager won't see ANY Avid dongle I attach.I'm sure it's got something to do with some driver compatibility for the dongle security or some such thing but I'm at a bit of a road block. I installed the PACE drives that came with the MC 4.0.5 installer. So in theory they should be fine.Any ideas of how to get this system to see the dongle?Thank you very much for any time you want to waste on this nonsense.Jay
On 4 Jan 2022, at 23:03, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:I don't think that applies here. Reading through that link it looks like that applies to dongles that are licensed to run v8 or newer. The dongle I have is licensed at v4. It was last blasted on 1/22/10. So it's not a newer license trying to run an older software. BUT…Mark's suggestion of installing the Sentinel drivers totally did work.Good times.JayOn Jan 4, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Job ter Burg (L2) <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:You can't run anything prior to 5.5.4 anymore:https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/compatibility/Using-a-Media-Composer-8-0-Symphony-Option-or-NewsCutter-Option-license-to-activate-a-previous-versionOn 4 Jan 2022, at 21:34, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:This is for probably for the old timers.I pulled an older MacPro (5,1) off the shelf. Formated the drive and installed OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) on it and ran updates. Then installed Media Composer 4.0.5 on it (if you REALLY need to know why and can get in to that later, but does it really matter?). MC seems to be fine. But the system won't see the dongle.The dongle is recognized on my regular Media Composer system. Avid Link sees the dongle and tells me the system ID and serial number and also tells me that it's perpetual for v4 of Media Composer.But I put the dongle back onto the system I'm setting up and it doesn't see it. The dongle is recognized as a device on the USB when I check System Profiler. But Dongle Manager does not see the dongle at all and says No Dongle Found. The version of Dongle Manager I installed is 7.0.2Also, Dongle Manager won't see ANY Avid dongle I attach.I'm sure it's got something to do with some driver compatibility for the dongle security or some such thing but I'm at a bit of a road block. I installed the PACE drives that came with the MC 4.0.5 installer. So in theory they should be fine.Any ideas of how to get this system to see the dongle?Thank you very much for any time you want to waste on this nonsense.Jay
On Jan 4, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Job ter Burg (L2) <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:You can't run anything prior to 5.5.4 anymore:https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/compatibility/Using-a-Media-Composer-8-0-Symphony-Option-or-NewsCutter-Option-license-to-activate-a-previous-versionOn 4 Jan 2022, at 21:34, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:This is for probably for the old timers.I pulled an older MacPro (5,1) off the shelf. Formated the drive and installed OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) on it and ran updates. Then installed Media Composer 4.0.5 on it (if you REALLY need to know why and can get in to that later, but does it really matter?). MC seems to be fine. But the system won't see the dongle.The dongle is recognized on my regular Media Composer system. Avid Link sees the dongle and tells me the system ID and serial number and also tells me that it's perpetual for v4 of Media Composer.But I put the dongle back onto the system I'm setting up and it doesn't see it. The dongle is recognized as a device on the USB when I check System Profiler. But Dongle Manager does not see the dongle at all and says No Dongle Found. The version of Dongle Manager I installed is 7.0.2Also, Dongle Manager won't see ANY Avid dongle I attach.I'm sure it's got something to do with some driver compatibility for the dongle security or some such thing but I'm at a bit of a road block. I installed the PACE drives that came with the MC 4.0.5 installer. So in theory they should be fine.Any ideas of how to get this system to see the dongle?Thank you very much for any time you want to waste on this nonsense.Jay
On Jan 4, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com> wrote:I know that on newer systems, you need to install the Sentinel Driver (included in the Avid Utilities folder). But this is an older system, and should be recognized without having to do that (if I remember correctly). It may be worth looking down this road anyway.On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 3:34 PM Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:This is for probably for the old timers.I pulled an older MacPro (5,1) off the shelf. Formated the drive and installed OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) on it and ran updates. Then installed Media Composer 4.0.5 on it (if you REALLY need to know why and can get in to that later, but does it really matter?). MC seems to be fine. But the system won't see the dongle.The dongle is recognized on my regular Media Composer system. Avid Link sees the dongle and tells me the system ID and serial number and also tells me that it's perpetual for v4 of Media Composer.But I put the dongle back onto the system I'm setting up and it doesn't see it. The dongle is recognized as a device on the USB when I check System Profiler. But Dongle Manager does not see the dongle at all and says No Dongle Found. The version of Dongle Manager I installed is 7.0.2Also, Dongle Manager won't see ANY Avid dongle I attach.I'm sure it's got something to do with some driver compatibility for the dongle security or some such thing but I'm at a bit of a road block. I installed the PACE drives that came with the MC 4.0.5 installer. So in theory they should be fine.Any ideas of how to get this system to see the dongle?Thank you very much for any time you want to waste on this nonsense.Jay
On 4 Jan 2022, at 21:34, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:This is for probably for the old timers.I pulled an older MacPro (5,1) off the shelf. Formated the drive and installed OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) on it and ran updates. Then installed Media Composer 4.0.5 on it (if you REALLY need to know why and can get in to that later, but does it really matter?). MC seems to be fine. But the system won't see the dongle.The dongle is recognized on my regular Media Composer system. Avid Link sees the dongle and tells me the system ID and serial number and also tells me that it's perpetual for v4 of Media Composer.But I put the dongle back onto the system I'm setting up and it doesn't see it. The dongle is recognized as a device on the USB when I check System Profiler. But Dongle Manager does not see the dongle at all and says No Dongle Found. The version of Dongle Manager I installed is 7.0.2Also, Dongle Manager won't see ANY Avid dongle I attach.I'm sure it's got something to do with some driver compatibility for the dongle security or some such thing but I'm at a bit of a road block. I installed the PACE drives that came with the MC 4.0.5 installer. So in theory they should be fine.Any ideas of how to get this system to see the dongle?Thank you very much for any time you want to waste on this nonsense.Jay
This is for probably for the old timers.I pulled an older MacPro (5,1) off the shelf. Formated the drive and installed OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) on it and ran updates. Then installed Media Composer 4.0.5 on it (if you REALLY need to know why and can get in to that later, but does it really matter?). MC seems to be fine. But the system won't see the dongle.The dongle is recognized on my regular Media Composer system. Avid Link sees the dongle and tells me the system ID and serial number and also tells me that it's perpetual for v4 of Media Composer.But I put the dongle back onto the system I'm setting up and it doesn't see it. The dongle is recognized as a device on the USB when I check System Profiler. But Dongle Manager does not see the dongle at all and says No Dongle Found. The version of Dongle Manager I installed is 7.0.2Also, Dongle Manager won't see ANY Avid dongle I attach.I'm sure it's got something to do with some driver compatibility for the dongle security or some such thing but I'm at a bit of a road block. I installed the PACE drives that came with the MC 4.0.5 installer. So in theory they should be fine.Any ideas of how to get this system to see the dongle?Thank you very much for any time you want to waste on this nonsense.Jay
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If the only option now is to link an transcode that makes me wonder if what I've experienced in the past will now happen all the time. When I've linked and transcoded and the source .movs are still available I've had Avid randomly relink to an ama link when the media has been linked and transcoded. I've had to move the location of the original source files to avoid this happening. I'd get things that would just unrender or suddenly I couldn't export a QT Ref because the sequence had reverted to some ama linking without me asking it to do that. The traditional import was a solid way around that issue, perhaps less elegant but at least consistent. I'm wondering how that will work moving forward.You receive all messages sent to this group.
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