Saturday, November 25, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] QT Ref from Avid into Adobe Media Encoder stalls on render start?

 

How come you are a high-end finishing editor with just 16 TB, and I'm a developer who hardly ever edits anymore, and I have 66 TB (after raid 5) at my systems?


(I recently added a Qnap with 8 8TB drives to my existing setup, set me back some lousy 4K. 
Hint, if you do something like this, I recommend (unlike Bob Z.) to use Iscsi. 
(All benchmarks are equal, but some benchmarks are more equal than others.))

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On 23 Nov 2017, at 05:47, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I try to avoid mixdowns to save storage space as I only have 16 TB available and have to keep several series online at the same time.

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Thursday, November 23, 2017

[Avid-L2] Recovery Partion on Drive with multiple partioned Start Up Drives?

 

I have been running a 4TB Hitachi Deskstar Drive partitioned into 10 drive/volumes.  I make the first four partitions 250GB then the remaining 6 are 500GB and I use them for startup drives.  When working in Disk Utility with a partitioned drive I seem to recall I could only resize the last partition on a multi partitioned drive.  That made sense to me.

Now that I'm rebuilding my work startup drive and Carbon Copy Cloning each partition to the new drive I get asked if I want to create a Recovery partition after each partition is cloned.  I've said yes a few times and CCC does the usual resizing target volume to make room for the recovery partition.  I'm assuming CCC uses the recovery partition on the source partition to create the recovery partition on the target partition.  Is this correct?  Given I have differing Mac OS systems on the different partition I'm curious if CCC is making a recovery partition on each individual partition or is it just for the whole drive?  I usually only see one choice for a Recovery Drive when I boot holding option so I guess it's just a master recovery partition for the entire multipartitioned drive.  Having never had to use the recovery partition I wonder if it is for OS 10.9.5 which is my primary OS on most of the startup partitions and would it work for the older 10.8.5 OS startup partition?  Not having a problem but just trying to understand the structure and nature of the Recovery Partition.
 
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Re: [Avid-L2] MC/Symphony Renewal Time - Cost Question

 

I have had two MC with Symphony option dongles for years.  The price has always been the same as regular MC, but in past years it was a different SKEW number, and a pain if I ordered the wrong one.  Marianna always made it right, but I became careful to get the MC With Symphony option.

I buy from VideoGuys.com.  They have the lowest price I know of, and they are whom I have bought all my upgrades from for many years.  If you have any concerns, questions or problems, ask for Gary Bettan.

This year I couldn't find the "special" version. I contacted someone via e-mail to ask about this and was told that since it's the same price, that AVID has rolled the yearly support contract for MC and MC with Symphony option into the same product to avoid confusion.

Note, Videoguys has the Media Comoposer support option for $285.00 and they always have discount codes for another 5% off.  The current one is FALL5 which is good till December 5th.  Since he works out of New Jersey I don't even pay sales tax.  Here is a link:




You can do the deal online, and when I did mine a couple days ago I had my support upgrade codes in a couple minutes, logged into my AVID master account and had them applied within minutes.  Literally took me about 15 or 20 minutes from the above link to support upgraded on my account.

Best of luck!

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I'm getting my annual MC subscription renewal notice (coming up 12/1), but when in my master account page I see two different costs — one for MC, one for MC with Symphony Option. Needless to say the MC with Symphony is much more expensive. But when I purchased the Symphony Option a couple of months ago under the aegis of the special promotion, I was told explicitly that the upgrade would not impact my annual subscription.

Did I misunderstand, or is t here something I don't know about renewing my subscription?

Anyone? Marianne?

Thanks!

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Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] QT Ref from Avid into Adobe Media Encoder stalls on render start?

 

16 tracks of audio is one reason.  If I needed to export an xdcam mxf that is limited to 8 tracks as far as I know.  If I was to make it in Avid I would have to mixdown the whole timeline to XDCam50 and then export same as source I suppose. 

I try to avoid mixdowns to save storage space as I only have 16 TB available and have to keep several series online at the same time.

Using Adobe Media Encoder frees up Avid so I can continue to work.

If there was a way to not have to mix down I might consider using Avid.  I haven't tried but if I did a custom export I suppose I could choose XDCam 50 422 as the codec but then that opens up the issues of QT Engine creating gamma shifts etc...

Is there a way without mixing down to export to an XDCam50 .mov and keep the 16 audio stems as discrete tracks.  I know I can address the interleaved audio with QT map but I try to avoid that whenever possible.

I think the two main reasons to sum up would be avoiding the mixdowns and being able to continue to work in Avid.  Most probably don't mind the mixdowns like I do.  After two to three years of working this way I'm not ready to give it up especially now that I have found the audio stems were causing the problem.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bouke@...> wrote :

Name one reason why you don't make a XDcam file from inside Avid itself.

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On 22 Nov 2017, at 20:09, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

If I ama link back to the ProResHQ self contained .mov the levels are correct but when using that as a source in Adobe Media Encoder to make XDCam50 422

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Re: [Avid-L2] QT Ref from Avid into Adobe Media Encoder stalls on render start?

 

Name one reason why you don't make a XDcam file from inside Avid itself.


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On 22 Nov 2017, at 20:09, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

If I ama link back to the ProResHQ self contained .mov the levels are correct but when using that as a source in Adobe Media Encoder to make XDCam50 422

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[Avid-L2] Is my startup drive tired or just cranky before Thanksgiving?

 

I mentioned in previous threads my work computer was taking 10 minutes or more to reach the desktop after typing in the password.  The boot was more or less normal but once the log in screen came up entering the pass word and it took 10 plus minutes to move to the desktop.  Today after delivery of the show I switched startup drives, all coming from the same hard drive on a different partition, and the computer booted normally taking maybe 30 seconds from entering the pass word to get to the desktop. 

While on the other startup drive partition I repaired permissions on the problematic startup drive and also verified the disk which all came out okay.  Bouncing back to the problem startup drive took 3 minutes to get from log in to desktop.  I then took a new drive and partitioned it the same way the original startup drive is with a 4TB drive into 10 partitions.  I used Carbon Copy Clone to clone the problematic startup partition to the new drive.  Once that was done I started up on the newly created partition and the computer booted normally taking the usual 30ish seconds from log in to desk top.  Clearly there is an issue on the original startup partition.

I'm curious when a drive is dying I would think a certain partition might have some physical damage that wouldn't appear in other partitions.  This would explain why when I booted to a different startup partition on the same drive it worked normally.  Now I'm wondering what is happening in the problematic partition to make it take 10 or more minutes to go from log in to desktop?  Once it finally boots it seems to work normally so what is holding things up?  Will a failing drive or partition keep retrying to read a section until it gets it right?  That would explain the long time to get to desktop.  I would think if it was physical damage that made reading data impossible the drive would never boot all the way.  Perhaps there are iffy sectors that are requiring a bunch of rereads but eventually the data is retrieved.  Do drives have some sort of internal error correction that would make them behave this way?

Given cloning the drive to a new drive seems to be working normally I would think all the data was accessible for Carbon Copy Clone to make the new drive partition that works properly.  If the problematic startup partition had bad code that was making it take a long time to boot to the desktop I would think a clone of it would exhibit the same issue but after a few test boots the new partition seems to be working correctly.

Bottom line would I be correct to postulate that the problem startup partition has sectors or section on that partition that have become problematic to accurately and reliably read data so there is a bunch of rereading going on that makes booting to the desktop take a long time?  It seems the new drive is solving my issue but now I won't to know why for future deadline fueled fun like I've had the last week.
 
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[Avid-L2] MC/Symphony Renewal Time - Cost Question

 

I'm getting my annual MC subscription renewal notice (coming up 12/1), but when in my master account page I see two different costs — one for MC, one for MC with Symphony Option. Needless to say the MC with Symphony is much more expensive. But when I purchased the Symphony Option a couple of months ago under the aegis of the special promotion, I was told explicitly that the upgrade would not impact my annual subscription.

Did I misunderstand, or is t here something I don't know about renewing my subscription?

Anyone? Marianne?

Thanks!

DD

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[Avid-L2] FibreNetix E4-1662-F241-B1 Power Supply?

 

I mentioned in an earlier thread that my drive chassis at work is aging and the bu power supply is dead.  The unit is a FibreNetix E4-1662-F241-B1 and it's a 16TB raid chassis.  I'm told the company no longer exists but I see the website which lists Melrose Mac as a vendor.  Anybody got any experience with these or a source for a back up power supply?  I would think back in 2009 when it was made the power supply was just an off the shelf unit the company used but I'm no manufacturing expert.  Sooner or later the main supply is going to die and that won't be pretty.
 
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Re: [Avid-L2] QT Ref from Avid into Adobe Media Encoder stalls on render start?

 

Exactly!!!  I have no argument with the suggestion to mixdown as the solid approach.  The downside for me working in long form series with lots of versions is the amount of storage space I would chew up with 4 to 5 hour long mixdowns from all the different versions.  I know storage is relatively cheap but it's not free so I haven't been given any new storage since the original 16 TB chassis was installed.  I've lost the backup power supply on that chassis and made everyone aware of the risks of losing it all but still no new chassis.

It seems that it's the audio that has induced my current error so I am using audio mixdowns with success and in the future I will ask for even more tail pad from the protools mixers.

So the real question is where is the level/gamma/quadrature shift occuring?.  As previously mentioned I have always been told to avoid the QT engine so custom exports from Avid are to be avoided.  Using a QT ref bypassees the QT engine and has no level shifts when used in Adobe Media Encoder.  Taking the QT ref .mov and using QT Pro 7 to save as a self contained .mov generates a .mov that will ama link back to Avid with correct levels and no shifts.  It is when I use that self contained .mov in Adobe Media Encoder as the source to make the XDCam50 422 .mov that the level shifts occur.

Does this mean that Adobe Media Encoder is using the QT engine in it's processing?  I'm on CC 2015 versions and have also used primarily CC 2014 in my series work.  Perhaps there was a change between CC 2014 and CC 2015 in this regard.  I haven't had a chance to try different target codecs to see if the same thing occurs.  My gut says they would be the same regarding the shift as it seems to be an input processing issue as best I can tell.




---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

Oh, come on.  What fun would that be?

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:34 PM Mark Spano cutandcover@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Reminder:

Mixdown to desired output codec > Export Same As Source. It works, and you don't have to guess like all these other methods of export.


On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:09 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Now that I found the audio was the problem today I noticed that the file I made from the self contained ProResHQ .mov has slight but noticeable level shifts and quadrature errors while the new file I made once I got the QT Ref to work is correct level. 

If I ama link back to the ProResHQ self contained .mov the levels are correct but when using that as a source in Adobe Media Encoder to make XDCam50 422 the levels get shifted a bit.  What a cluster flop.  I was always under the impression as "Save As" in QT Pro 7 was clean and safe.  I guess the resulting file is clean but there is something in AME that misinterprets it in some manner.  I've always been aware that custom exports in Avid  are prone to gamma shifts etc... which is why I use the QT ref exports and render to the target codec in Avid.  This is very disheartening.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bigfish@...> wrote :

Turns out that it's the audio stems that are the issue.  Or to be exact the lack of audio stems.  I always have the protools mixer give me extra region at the end of the mix for like 3 minutes so I always have actual audio on all the tracks.  I've had issue with QT ref files when there was filler at the end or anywhere in the audio tracks so I just ask for the pad to insure I have audio media throughout the timeline and no filler.  Sometimes I just create audio mixdowns of silence and edit them into any gaps and this seems to work with saving self contained .movs in QT Pro 7.  If I don't do this often the audio track duration differs from the video and I've also seen whacky sync issues.

The problem today was that the textless elements at the end of the show exceeded the length of my padded out protools stems.  So I looped some of the ending 3 minutes of silence to fill in the gap.  Well apparently Adobe Media Encoder doesn't like any edits in the audio tracks when it comes to QT Ref files.  I hadn't run into this on my other series because we didn't add textless elements but did a complete textless output file so the 3 minutes of pad was more than sufficient to have continuous non edited audio tracks so I never saw the problem before.  I even tried editing an audio mixdown just in the gap area but it had the same problem.

The solution, which has often been suggested on this and other lists is to make audio mixdowns of the entire audio track thus ending up with a continuous track of audio media from one source.  Once I did this it worked like a charm.  It did also seem to work if I just left the filler in the audio tracks.  At least AME started encoding so I figure it would work.  I'm leaving the full audio mixdown version and the one with audio filler at the end encoding overnight so I can see if both work okay.

I think there's a turkey in my system this week.  That is besides the one at the console.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <domqsilverio@...> wrote :

My guess would be the migration to in-house Adobe QT engine rendered QTRef support dead. 

DQS


On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:01 PM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've been taking Avid exported QT Ref files into Adobe Media Encoder for years now.  Some of the more complex shows take a bit of time to load in but have worked.  I have primarily been using DNX 175X renders in Avid.  I've also used ProResHQ in my 4K projects.

Today I'm on an HD project using all ProResHQ.  I do my usual upper track safe color and Render everything to ProResHQ.  I was previously rendering upper tracks to ProRes 422 because I was told that was the delivery spec.  Today they said no we need to do XDCam50 with 16 tracks of audio.

I've been doing that type of XDCam 50 422 export on previous series using CC 2014 without issue using QT Ref exports from Avid as the source.  Now I'm on CC 2015 and I've been successfully making H_264 files from QT Ref out of Avid but now today after rerendering to ProResHQ and trying to QT Ref into AME to make an XDCam50 422 AME imports the QT Ref and I can scroll through it when I tape the compression setting and open the settings window.  So AME recognizes the file but when I say encode it just sits there with no sign of life other than the preview window shows the preview screen.  I let it sit for about 15 to 20 minutes but no progress is seen in the preview screen other than the initial appearance of the black window.

If I make shorter QT ref files out of avid like the first minute or so that works and if I take the problematic QT ref and save a self contained version with QT Pro 7 that too works in AME.  I just don't understand why all of a sudden AME is balking or taking a super long time to start encoding.  Very weird behavior.

Anybody else seeing this kind of quirk with AME and QT Ref files.  I had occasions before where it might take 4 to 5 minutes to start encoding after pressing the button but now it just seems to sit there. 

This problem is compounded by the system I'm on is taking for every to boot up after typing in the user password.  I start the computer and get to the log in screen okay but then after entering the password it takes 10 minutes or more to get to the desktop.  This too is new behavior so I'm trying not to restart the computer until I get the current project out tomorrow.  I don't know whether I'm herding cats or dancing on razor blades but I've had better days.

Any suggestions welcome, especially if they involve opening a Bait and Tackle shop and getting out of post.  ;-)
 
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