Saturday, April 21, 2012

[Avid-L2] Re: MC V6.0 Effects Editor NOW and ode to V.4

 

With your track controls panel showing in the timeline, click on the little button on the right that looks like a circle. This toggles on and off enable track.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, avideditorrob@... wrote:
>
> As long as we on the audio tools,
> Track Enable/Disable is one that kills me.
>
> In 5.5, at least, When a track is disabled, the only way to enable it is in the mix tool.
>
> It should a option click on the timeline track selection so I don't have to mouse all over the place to re-enable tracks.
>
> As to why they're un-enables in the first place completely eludes me.
>
> Has this been corrected in v6?
>
> rob
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Greg Huson wrote:
>
> > Adding to the collective voice: the mute/solo thing is annoying. Side-by-side would be better, or a bigger, 'multipurpose' button (smart?) that mutes or solos depending on a modifier key.
> >
> > GH
> >
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 11:46 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor NOW and ode to V.4

 

As long as we on the audio tools,
Track Enable/Disable is one that kills me.

In 5.5, at least, When a track is disabled, the only way to enable it is in the mix tool.

It should a option click on the timeline track selection so I don't have to mouse all over the place to re-enable tracks.

As to why they're un-enables in the first place completely eludes me.

Has this been corrected in v6?

rob

On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Greg Huson wrote:

> Adding to the collective voice: the mute/solo thing is annoying. Side-by-side would be better, or a bigger, 'multipurpose' button (smart?) that mutes or solos depending on a modifier key.
>
> GH
>
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> Chief
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> www.SecretHQ.com
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>
> Sent from my iPad
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>
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[Avid-L2] Re: baselight vs symphony

 

Agreed.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "blafarm" <blafarm@...> wrote:

<<The fact that some of us are considering Resolve (and all that implies: hardware, software, workflow) -- or the Baselight plugin (at the same cost as the Symphony upgrade) as stop-gap measures -- does not seem to suggest that there is a high-level of confidence regarding the timing or execution of a new CC Tool.>>

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[Avid-L2] Re: baselight vs symphony

 

Understood and agreed.

Apologies for stating the obvious, but I think the big issues in terms of upgrading (not that $1k is all that significant -- but there's no going back to MC if you need to) -- are the following rhetorical questions:

1. Does Avid still have the engineering resources and budget to really properly address Symphony's CC shortcomings?

2. Even with the appropriate resources -- can Avid achieve the level of specialization and focus that products like Baselight and Resolve already have?

3. Going forward, will Symphony's CC receive the attention it will require to evolve and remain feature-competitive?

4. And finally, when will this happen -- especially considering the absolutely dismal level of attention Symphony has received in the past 10 years?

The fact that some of us are considering Resolve (and all that implies: hardware, software, workflow) -- or the Baselight plugin (at the same cost as the Symphony upgrade) as stop-gap measures -- does not seem to suggest that there is a high-level of confidence regarding the timing or execution of a new CC Tool.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
>
> Resolve is also a stopgap measure. The reality is, keeping in one application is the superior workflow. And Symphony has the superior application method. So add the right tools and you have an industry leader again.
>
> For example, yesterday I was working on a reality show with two cameras. I would correct the "A" camera and the "B" camera once in "Source Clip Name Mode" and the entire scene was finished! Then there were broll shots in between scenes that required adding the "Spot color effect" to isolate areas slowing me WAY down. But I still got 15 minutes of program corrected in less than an hour.
>
> And when I get to the end of an act, the previous acts tease (Which I skipped) is also corrected. And when I get to the end of the show, the opening tease (which I skip) is all corrected.
>
> Smoke, daVinci, Color etc can't touch this!
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "blafarm" <blafarm@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@> wrote:
> > > To me Baselight represents a temporary solution, not a long term one.
> >
> >
> > I completely understand your point -- especially as the Baselight plugin does not offer the power or utility of a fully-integrated solution.
> >
> > Curious, from recent posts it sounds like you might be exploring the possibility of loading Resolve on one of your Symphony boxes. Do you view that as a stop-gap measure as well -- or do you see that as a possible long-term solution for your workflow?
> >
>

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 10:56 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor

 

I have the idea this was broken in 6.0.0 and fixed in 6.0.1, but could
be wrong.

Cheers,
--Michael

On 12-04-21 8:53 AM, Dennis Degan wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:45 PM, David Colantuoni wrote:
>
> > I can save you guys a bunch of time. We've heard the feedback and
> understand all of this issues surrounding this. I actually hesitated
> to respond because I did not want to revisit this issue and get the
> group all spun up. I've got this one and understand all of the
> concerns.
>
> I ask:
>
> Thank you, David.
> On a related subject though, are any others reporting the inability
> to Copy/Paste clip names within bins? I have this on my MC v6.0.0 at
> home (MacPro 1,1 running MacOS 10.7.3 with 8GB RAM). I've also
> experienced this same issue on Symphony v5.3.x (HP computer running
> Windows 7 Pro) with Nitris DX.
>
> Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
> NBC Today Show, New York
>
>

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:59 AM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Re: baselight vs symphony

 

Resolve is also a stopgap measure. The reality is, keeping in one application is the superior workflow. And Symphony has the superior application method. So add the right tools and you have an industry leader again.

For example, yesterday I was working on a reality show with two cameras. I would correct the "A" camera and the "B" camera once in "Source Clip Name Mode" and the entire scene was finished! Then there were broll shots in between scenes that required adding the "Spot color effect" to isolate areas slowing me WAY down. But I still got 15 minutes of program corrected in less than an hour.

And when I get to the end of an act, the previous acts tease (Which I skipped) is also corrected. And when I get to the end of the show, the opening tease (which I skip) is all corrected.

Smoke, daVinci, Color etc can't touch this!

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "blafarm" <blafarm@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@> wrote:
> > To me Baselight represents a temporary solution, not a long term one.
>
>
> I completely understand your point -- especially as the Baselight plugin does not offer the power or utility of a fully-integrated solution.
>
> Curious, from recent posts it sounds like you might be exploring the possibility of loading Resolve on one of your Symphony boxes. Do you view that as a stop-gap measure as well -- or do you see that as a possible long-term solution for your workflow?
>

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:45 AM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Re: baselight vs symphony

 

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
> To me Baselight represents a temporary solution, not a long term one.

I completely understand your point -- especially as the Baselight plugin does not offer the power or utility of a fully-integrated solution.

Curious, from recent posts it sounds like you might be exploring the possibility of loading Resolve on one of your Symphony boxes. Do you view that as a stop-gap measure as well -- or do you see that as a possible long-term solution for your workflow?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Noise Reduction Plug ins

 

I've had luck with neat video in AE and FCP, don't think they make an AVX version.

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On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:01 AM, "ksirul" <kenavid2@glueedit.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for a good 3rd party Noise reducer. I have some very noisy blacks that I need to keep detail. Sapphire Grain remove did not sufficiently do the trick. Any recommendations?
>
> KEN
>
>

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:04 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor

 

"On a related subject though, are any others reporting the inability
to Copy/Paste clip names within bins? I have this on my MC v6.0.0 at
home (MacPro 1,1 running MacOS 10.7.3 with 8GB RAM). I've also
experienced this same issue on Symphony v5.3.x (HP computer running
Windows 7 Pro) with Nitris DX."

Mac Pro 1,1 and Mac OSX 10.7.3 are both unsupported...however I doubt thats
your problem (I run on an upgraded 1,1...now a 2,1...and I don't see
this). The fact that you are seeing this on your Windows system too, on a
different version of MC begs the question....Are you using any type of
third party mouse with its own software, by any chance?

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:03 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor NOW and ode to V.4

Which is really what Shirley said - click it off to mute it and Ctrl/Cmnd click it to solo it (they way we were . . . I feel a song coming on). Oh, hang on . . . the video monitor still works that way!

On 21 Apr 2012, at 16:45, Greg Huson wrote:

> Adding to the collective voice: the mute/solo thing is annoying. Side-by-side would be better, or a bigger, 'multipurpose' button (smart?) that mutes or solos depending on a modifier key.
>
> GH
>
> __________________________
> Greg Huson
> Chief
> Secret Headquarters, inc
> Greg (at) SecretHQ.Com
> www.SecretHQ.com
> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree, Roger. And things started to get very wanky in the timeline with the addition of the Not-So-Smart-Tools. I particularly object to the pure design idiocy of the mute/solo buttons. I mean, come on! I once could everything I needed to do as far as muting or soloing tracks with the same number of clicks I need to execute now, except that before I was clicking on a button that was the full height of the track, and now I'm clicking on a button that's half the size of the track! I have to slow down, and really look and aim for this tiny thing, and half the time I miss and click off a sync lock, which I remain unaware of until I start getting sync disasters. This was just your basic rotten idea, and it's one of several that slow me down and reduce my productivity. And every time I slow down, someone is paying. Often it's me.
> >
> > Shirley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger <rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:49 am
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor
> >
> > David - you are now veering off target. We are your customers who buy your tools
> > and keep you in business. If a number of customers tell you that they preferred
> > the interface the way it was before or that improvements need to be made, you'd
> > better listen (and it seems you are) or the customers will head off elsewhere.
> > I've seen many changes since I began editing on Media Composer in 1992 and I
> > think my copy of MC4 (second time around) is the most customisable and pleasant
> > to work with. This is not to decry the many powerful features that have been
> > added since then but the user experience is important.
> >
> > On 20 Apr 2012, at 16:28, David Colantuoni wrote:
> >
> > > A few people have contacted me off list about this. This is about a unifying
> > look, not about functionality. Sorry if I was not clear on that. Each product
> > has its own identity and user experience and that's up to the individual product
> > teams to define. Avid made a commitment to unify its brand a few years back
> > (ie- Pinnacle Studio is now Avid Studio). UI came along for the ride. It's
> > about brand and brand awareness. Most large companies have a unified way for
> > their UI. It's an important element so customers identify with Avid products
> > through a visual and hopefully emotional connection.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David Colantuoni
> > > Product Management - Professional Video Editors and Effects | P&S Creative
> > Professional
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Knut A. Helgeland" <knut@toxic.no<mailto:knut@toxic.no>>
> > > Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>"
> > <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Date: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:43 AM
> > > To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>"
> > <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20. apr. 2012, at 03:52, David Colantuoni wrote:
> > >
> > >> We have a design team at Avid unifying all of the UI in all products to have
> > a similar look.
> > >
> > > My question then would be "why"? When it's obvious that a design
> > concept/paradigm is breaking with established user experiences, it's not a good
> > idea. All design concepts are not good design concepts, and often they're not
> > even design concepts, but initiated from foreign considerations like engineering
> > constraints, or economics, or 'taste'.
> > >
> > > PS Please do not inform this 'UI unifying design team' that Avid has a product
> > called DS.
> > >
> > > K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > With best wishes,
> > Roger Shufflebottom
> > +44 7973 543 660
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 8:58 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor

 


On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:45 PM, David Colantuoni wrote:

> I can save you guys a bunch of time. We've heard the feedback and
understand all of this issues surrounding this. I actually hesitated
to respond because I did not want to revisit this issue and get the
group all spun up. I've got this one and understand all of the
concerns.

I ask:

Thank you, David.
On a related subject though, are any others reporting the inability
to Copy/Paste clip names within bins? I have this on my MC v6.0.0 at
home (MacPro 1,1 running MacOS 10.7.3 with 8GB RAM). I've also
experienced this same issue on Symphony v5.3.x (HP computer running
Windows 7 Pro) with Nitris DX.

Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
NBC Today Show, New York

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Re: [Avid-L2] Noise Reduction Plug ins

 

Vaseline :-)

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"

On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:01 AM, ksirul wrote:

> I'm looking for a good 3rd party Noise reducer. I have some very noisy blacks that I need to keep detail. Sapphire Grain remove did not sufficiently do the trick. Any recommendations?

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 8:50 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor NOW and ode to V.4

 

Adding to the collective voice: the mute/solo thing is annoying. Side-by-side would be better, or a bigger, 'multipurpose' button (smart?) that mutes or solos depending on a modifier key.

GH

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On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@aol.com> wrote:

> I agree, Roger. And things started to get very wanky in the timeline with the addition of the Not-So-Smart-Tools. I particularly object to the pure design idiocy of the mute/solo buttons. I mean, come on! I once could everything I needed to do as far as muting or soloing tracks with the same number of clicks I need to execute now, except that before I was clicking on a button that was the full height of the track, and now I'm clicking on a button that's half the size of the track! I have to slow down, and really look and aim for this tiny thing, and half the time I miss and click off a sync lock, which I remain unaware of until I start getting sync disasters. This was just your basic rotten idea, and it's one of several that slow me down and reduce my productivity. And every time I slow down, someone is paying. Often it's me.
>
> Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger <rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:49 am
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor
>
> David - you are now veering off target. We are your customers who buy your tools
> and keep you in business. If a number of customers tell you that they preferred
> the interface the way it was before or that improvements need to be made, you'd
> better listen (and it seems you are) or the customers will head off elsewhere.
> I've seen many changes since I began editing on Media Composer in 1992 and I
> think my copy of MC4 (second time around) is the most customisable and pleasant
> to work with. This is not to decry the many powerful features that have been
> added since then but the user experience is important.
>
> On 20 Apr 2012, at 16:28, David Colantuoni wrote:
>
> > A few people have contacted me off list about this. This is about a unifying
> look, not about functionality. Sorry if I was not clear on that. Each product
> has its own identity and user experience and that's up to the individual product
> teams to define. Avid made a commitment to unify its brand a few years back
> (ie- Pinnacle Studio is now Avid Studio). UI came along for the ride. It's
> about brand and brand awareness. Most large companies have a unified way for
> their UI. It's an important element so customers identify with Avid products
> through a visual and hopefully emotional connection.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > David Colantuoni
> > Product Management - Professional Video Editors and Effects | P&S Creative
> Professional
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Knut A. Helgeland" <knut@toxic.no<mailto:knut@toxic.no>>
> > Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>"
> <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> > Date: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:43 AM
> > To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>"
> <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20. apr. 2012, at 03:52, David Colantuoni wrote:
> >
> >> We have a design team at Avid unifying all of the UI in all products to have
> a similar look.
> >
> > My question then would be "why"? When it's obvious that a design
> concept/paradigm is breaking with established user experiences, it's not a good
> idea. All design concepts are not good design concepts, and often they're not
> even design concepts, but initiated from foreign considerations like engineering
> constraints, or economics, or 'taste'.
> >
> > PS Please do not inform this 'UI unifying design team' that Avid has a product
> called DS.
> >
> > K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
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> >
> >
>
> With best wishes,
> Roger Shufflebottom
> +44 7973 543 660
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 8:45 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor NOW and ode to V.4

 

I agree, Roger. And things started to get very wanky in the timeline with the addition of the Not-So-Smart-Tools. I particularly object to the pure design idiocy of the mute/solo buttons. I mean, come on! I once could everything I needed to do as far as muting or soloing tracks with the same number of clicks I need to execute now, except that before I was clicking on a button that was the full height of the track, and now I'm clicking on a button that's half the size of the track! I have to slow down, and really look and aim for this tiny thing, and half the time I miss and click off a sync lock, which I remain unaware of until I start getting sync disasters. This was just your basic rotten idea, and it's one of several that slow me down and reduce my productivity. And every time I slow down, someone is paying. Often it's me.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger <rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor

David - you are now veering off target. We are your customers who buy your tools
and keep you in business. If a number of customers tell you that they preferred
the interface the way it was before or that improvements need to be made, you'd
better listen (and it seems you are) or the customers will head off elsewhere.
I've seen many changes since I began editing on Media Composer in 1992 and I
think my copy of MC4 (second time around) is the most customisable and pleasant
to work with. This is not to decry the many powerful features that have been
added since then but the user experience is important.

On 20 Apr 2012, at 16:28, David Colantuoni wrote:

> A few people have contacted me off list about this. This is about a unifying
look, not about functionality. Sorry if I was not clear on that. Each product
has its own identity and user experience and that's up to the individual product
teams to define. Avid made a commitment to unify its brand a few years back
(ie- Pinnacle Studio is now Avid Studio). UI came along for the ride. It's
about brand and brand awareness. Most large companies have a unified way for
their UI. It's an important element so customers identify with Avid products
through a visual and hopefully emotional connection.
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> Dave
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> David Colantuoni
> Product Management - Professional Video Editors and Effects | P&S Creative
Professional
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> From: "Knut A. Helgeland" <knut@toxic.no<mailto:knut@toxic.no>>
> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>"
<Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Date: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:43 AM
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>"
<Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC V6.0 Effects Editor
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> On 20. apr. 2012, at 03:52, David Colantuoni wrote:
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>> We have a design team at Avid unifying all of the UI in all products to have
a similar look.
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> My question then would be "why"? When it's obvious that a design
concept/paradigm is breaking with established user experiences, it's not a good
idea. All design concepts are not good design concepts, and often they're not
even design concepts, but initiated from foreign considerations like engineering
constraints, or economics, or 'taste'.
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> PS Please do not inform this 'UI unifying design team' that Avid has a product
called DS.
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