RE: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive

it's online storage that grows pod by pod. always accessible even when resilvering due to a drive replacement at about 80% of bandwidth. these can be snapshoted and or rsyncd to duplicate systems. for lightning, we have facility ups so that isnt ever going to be an issue. as for power use, the system monitors access and goes into powersaving- also the drives are all 'green' low power consumption drives.

the benefit of instantly accessing data vs loading a tape and hoping it comes up ok is really big.

also i have cpus that are running after over 10yrs of service still but in the meantime i've seen data storages go from floppys go to zip and jaz to optical disc to cd to dvd to usb drives to firewire drives to bluray and dlt to all the various lto formats that come out ever year. service life of a system has to be thought of in a data storage plan.

it's the 'ol digital dilemma discussion, no one's right, we just have to keep chasing and migrating our bits and hope we dont drop any :)

David C. Ballard

President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
LAB 601 Digital Post
404.876.4601
www.lab601.com<http://www.lab601.com/>

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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of bouke [bouke@editb.nl]
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive



Huh? 90Tb in a single backup? One backup is no backup, if lighning strikes,
you've lost everything...
Now, the DIY build i like, but i very much doubt the efficiency powerwise...
My guestimation is that it requires at least 2 Kw.
That is one year more cost on electricity than an LTO system will set you
back.
(granted, a smaller system for editing only will also use power. I'm at the
point of powering down at night / weekends)

Bouke

VideoToolShed
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS NIJMEGEN
The Netherlands
+31 24 3553311
www.videotoolshed.com

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From: "David C. Ballard" dave@lab601.com<mailto:dave%40lab601.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive

> we use our own purpose built spinning disk storage pods. filled with 45
> 2tb drives for 90tb each now until larger ones get as cheap. you can call
> us to ask what they cost, but they are 10s of thousands less than same
> sized commercially available storages. they are online NAS storages with
> bonded interfaces for gigE speeds to multiple systems at full bandwidth.
> they use off the shelf components so if there is a failure (which we have
> not had yet) they can be fixed easily and affordably.
>
> we edit off of them with reasonable resolutions (no uncompressed) with
> multiple clients. they are great for central repositorys, work great with
> VFX systems and graphic artists.
>
> they run ZFS zraid2 so they are looking for problems and fixing any
> without the Data Rot that comes with raid5 or 6. i've replaced only 2
> drives in the units and not suffered downtime for rebuilding that comes
> with traditional raid. good thing as using commodity drives they all have
> been RMA'd by seagate under their warranty.
>
> with proper file system like zfs and spinning disk you have electricity
> cost (if constantly running) but could have less failure rate of bad tapes
> or tapes not loading....not looking for a flame war, but if an archive is
> accessible directly and monitored on the bit level, this is better than
> shelving something and hoping it opened.
>
> we've got our 13 years of our data on these pods. handy.
>
> David C. Ballard
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.comhttp://www.lab601.com/>
>
> From: mike cardeiro mcardeiro@yahoo.com<mailto:mcardeiro%40yahoo.com>mcardeiro@yahoo.com<mailto:mcardeiro%40yahoo.com>>>
> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>"
> Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>>
> Date: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:20 AM
> To: avid l 2 Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
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> Hi
>
> Over the past few years we have changed from mostly tape to mostly digital
> shooting. As a consequence the way we used to archive old projects
> doesn't work.
>
> Sometimes I will end up with 1 or 2 usb drives with all the footage from a
> shoot...theres a big pile of them building up in one of the Avid suites.
> Frankly, I don't put a lot of faith in the longevity of these little
> drives.
>
> I'm thinking of getting a large raid server that can just hold all the
> stuff (till it gets full then we'll have another talk about longer term
> archival)
>
> What are you using to archive old footage that was aquired digitally?
>
> Mike Cardeiro
> Editor/Animator/Compositor
> D4 Creative Group - Philadelphia, PA
>
> http://www.michaelcardeiro.com/resume/
> http://www.youtube.com/user/mcardeiro
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