:-)
And, i'm currently working on low cost TC transmitters. Wanna betatest?
(never done hardware before, but i need a bunch myself, and their expensive,
and i'm dutch...)
Bouke
VideoToolShed
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS NIJMEGEN
The Netherlands
+31 24 3553311
www.videotoolshed.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Feeley" <jfeeley@gmail.com>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Audio Quality and Sync from Cannon 5D into mc?
> Because some camera operators and producers freak out at the idea of
> having anything connected to their camera...and freak out at the whole
> idea of TC. Since John's production is even considering using 5D audio, I
> figured "path of least resistance with the producer" was the way to go.
> Plural Eyes is an easier sell to such producers because they've heard of
> it. Me, I like TC.
>
> Bouke, I recommend your stuff to lots of people because it solves real
> problems. But some won't bite. Even those who really should know better
> (and are working with editors who do know better).
>
> Jim
> PS- Even beefed up, 5D audio, as you might say, will SUCK BIG TIME!
> PPS- For the record, I don't suck. I ROCK. Thank you.
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, bouke wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>> If you do a fair amount of location work and you dare to mention Plural /
>> Dual eyes, you suck. And if you mention sync by hand in 2012, you suck.
>> (sorry, did i say suck? I ment, SUCK BIG TIME!)
>> If you have a decent recorder at hand, why not send TC to the Canon?
>> I happen to be the author / owner of a very good TC reader / sync
>> application, but guess what, Avid does this straight out of the box.
>> Way faster and way more reliable than D / P eyes, and way more 'Pro'.
>>
>> And for the quality, i don't give a rats ass, since the quality of the
>> cam
>> isn't that impressive at all.
>> (unless it's beefed up beyond believe, but then it becomes so expensive a
>> real cam is cheaper. (and yes, i do own a 5D))
>>
>> Bouke
>>
>> VideoToolShed
>> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
>> 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
>> The Netherlands
>> +31 24 3553311
>> www.videotoolshed.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Feeley" <jfeeley@gmail.com>
>> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Audio Quality and Sync from Cannon 5D into mc?
>>
>> "Audio quality" and "Canon 5D" in the same subject line; John, you crack
>> me
>> up. Oh my. Let me catch my breath from laughing so hard.
>>
>> So, building on Dom's and Steve's comments. The clocks on 5Ds, ime, are
>> fairly stable but inaccurate. Some cameras hardly drift at all, some
>> drift a
>> fair amount (seemingly independent of user error). I'd suggest using the
>> backup audio that the mixer recorded as primary audio. Even if they were
>> recording from the mixer to a cheap prosumer flash-memory recorder. If
>> the
>> mixer is recording to professional gear (Sound Devices, Zaxcom,
>> whatever),
>> then no contest.
>>
>> Sync should be pretty easy with Plural Eyes, if you want to go that
>> route.
>> The deal is, the greater the similarity between the two audio waveforms
>> you
>> want to match, the better job Plural Eyes does. So if you have good audio
>> recorded by a competent mixer and poorly-recorded audio captured by a
>> crappy
>> on-camera (or crappy built-in) mic on a 5D and you're in a noisy
>> environment, Plural Eyes may struggle. During an interview in a
>> controlled
>> environment, things will be OK. But since production is sending the
>> mixer's
>> audio to the camera, the camera and audio recorder should have
>> super-closely
>> matched waveforms and Plural Eyes will zip through everything. Useful if
>> you
>> have dozens of clips to sync up. And slip everything a few frames.
>>
>> But if it's just a few long takes and you have neither Plural Eyes nor an
>> assistant, just sync by hand.
>>
>> Worst case: use the 5D audio tracks the mixer sent to camera. If it was
>> recorded optimally, it'll be semi-sucky and off by 3ish frames (as Steve
>> says), but useableish if the your standards are low enough.
>>
>> Jim Feeley
>> PS- I do a fair amount of location audio work.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 6:23 PM, John Moore wrote:
>>
>> > I searched but didn't find the thread I'm thinking of. I believe Oliver
>> > mentioned various legacy format issues with audio sync and some DSLRs.
>> > I
>> > believe the Panny HVR-200 was known to have some audio sync issues with
>> > it's files and perhaps DSLRs like Cannon 5D. We are shooting standups
>> > with the 5D and they use to do double system and sometimes it was off.
>> > Now they are sending the audio to the camera from the mixer. Is the
>> > internal audio on the Canon 5D problematic as far as quality and sync?
>> > We
>> > also have the audio files to use for backup. Trying to remember what
>> > gotchas I've read about on the L-2. You now it's not until I get bit in
>> > the arse that I remember something somewhere somehow might be of use.
>> >
>> > John Moore
>> >
>> > Barking Trout Productions
>>
>>
>
>
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