Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Editors, AE's picket, win union contract, benefits

Thanks, Jeff. I think the original post was an interesting bit of news, regardless of the lack of quality of the writing.
I think we are all smart enough to see through the hyped aspect of the piece and still see info that's worth noting and pondering. I agree OT is a good
thing to add to a post that falls outside of a tech question. Still, OT can be a gray area, does a Blackmagic or an FCP note or comment warrant an OT?
Does another post-house closing deserve an OT or is that really part of the discussion? When in doubt, give an OT sound right?
I want to say the tone of some people objecting to the potencial, the possibility, of politics on the L
seems the most heated and in that way political. Jeesh.
It bothers me when individuals deem to speak for the members of the list as to what belongs on the still vibrant and lively L2. Oh that Zelin were still here.
Owen





On Aug 26, 2012, at 5:06 PM, "jeffsengpiehl" <jeffsengpiehl@yahoo.com> wrote:

> discussion of Union vs non-Union shops, and organizing does NOT have to devolve into Politics. If you can't see that, then you haven't even made a minimal effort.
>
> Keep it civil, and it will be fine. Go political, and it's a problem Get into discussions of how the list is managed, it's a problem.
>
> JDS
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
> >
> > really, you can't find any other place to talk about politics or the union? Then you didn't even try.
> >
> > Since you are a member of this list you probably have access to all of the Yahoo Groups. I found a whole section on there devoted to the subject of Government and Politics. Under the Politics section there are 27647 groups. Try some of those.
> >
> > If you want to focus on union and labor issues a search for IATSE brings back 23 groups.
> >
> > A search for Labor Union brings back 454 groups.
> >
> > That was with a very minimal effort.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Anna Hovhannessian wrote:
> >
> > > Where else would you suggest?
> > >
> > > I don't know of any venue as robust and rich.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Jay Mahavier <jay_mahavier@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Personally I'm not interested in getting into politics and union issues on this list. And I am a member of and support the 700. It's all worth talking about and discussing, but I believe it's best left somewhere else.
> > >>
> > >> Jay Mahavier
> > >>
> > >> On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Mark wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> "how pathetic is our aversion to the political sphere that our illustrious group can't politely
> > >>> engage these issues without the threat of it descending into acrimony and
> > >>> invective?"
> > >>>
> > >>> ... and away we go! Told ya!
> > >>>
> > >>> mark
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, David Dodson <davidadodson@> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I agree with Anna. I come to the L-2 for the tech, but I stay for the community. And I like reading about the political wrangling that impacts our professional lives. And anyway, union issues don't seem like so much political issues as just a very real part of working the industry at this level. AND... how pathetic is our aversion to the political sphere that our illustrious group can't politely engage these issues without the threat of it descending into acrimony and invective?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> David
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Aug 25, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Anna Hovhannessian wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I like it. And honestly we don't always stick to tech. It's part of being a community of editors.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:56 PM, "Mark" <markraudonis@> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Can we stick to the tech stuff and not go all political on this board? There's plenty of other
> > >>>>>> venues for this discussion... don't need it here. Thanks.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "paul.hartel" <phartel@> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/editors-settle-with-syfy-show-hot-set-after-walkout-halted-production-for-3-days/#more-324780
> > >>>>>>>
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> > >>>> David Dodson
> > >>>> davidadodson@
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