Thursday, September 5, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] Availability of ProRes Codec internal to Avid in a PC and Mac world?

 

Okay I had mistakenly conflated the fact that on my Mac Avids I can render to, mixdown to ProRes and consolidate ProRes media, which in my mind makes it a native codec to Avid, to mean that even a PC could do this because it was internal code in Avid making the renders and mixdowns.  I have been reminded by you and Terry C. this is not the case and there are licensing issues that prevent windows from writing to ProRes.

Now it turns out the Post Sup asking the question confirmed that they are on mac Avids so I don't know why he is being told they can't export to ProRes.  Could the lack of an Apple Pro App on their system be the reason they seem to be lacking this ability?  I've always installed FCP 7 on my systems so I end up with the Pro Codecs and the ability to export to them in QT7 Pro.  In the absence of an Apple Pro App is Avid incapable of exporting, rendering to or mixing down to ProRes?

---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <mactvman@...> wrote :

I think you already get this, but to be clear…

I can read, playback and edit ProRes media all day in Media Composer under Windows.  I can even ingest ProRes QuickTimes via consolidate or fast import, retaining the ProRes source media in Media Composer.  In all those cases, Media Composer is merely copying existing ProRes sources.  What I cannot do is render or create any ProRes Media with Media Composer.

Dave Hogan,
Burbank, CA


On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:09 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks for the info.  I had thought Avid considered ProRes as native media these days.  Everybodies been saying for years to mixdown to ProRes in Avid and export same as source to avoid the annoying level shifts.  I figured that was available on PCs as well.

I have found out the the folks asking the question are on macs but I don't know what Avid version.  I had thought Avid and Adobe and others had written their own code to avoid the need for QT dependence.  Perhaps I mistakenly figured that meant the ProRes choices I see in Avid meant it was a fully native codec in Avid at this point and not dependent on being on a mac.  Well more will be revealed.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <mactvman@...> wrote :

Hey John,

Where I work all our online bays are PC, running mostly Windows 10.  We don't have the option to do any kind of mix down to ProRes media.

If my source files happen to be ProRes I can read that on PC, and if there are no effects in a cuts only timeline, I have in the past exported "Same as Source" and gotten ProRes, but I haven't done it recently, to know if it works on current Media Composer versions.  However in that scenario, the PC Media Composer cannot "create" any new media in ProRes.  The option is not available in Media Creation settings.

What we do where I work is create an OP1a DNx175X file with audio, open that file on a Mac and do the ProRes export there.  (Or do an uncompressed Video MixDown RGB with audio, in a sequence in a Bin).

Either way, That's how we get to ProRes.  Always on a Mac, from MXF media.  Mac Media Composer has the choice in Media Creation settings to use MXF or ProRes, and there is still the option to bring into Final Cut.  I know there are some hoops our Avid Assists go through to prevent levels shifts, but I don't currently know what those are.  (I'll ask and follow up tonight).

Dave Hogan
Burbank, CA

On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:12 AM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I've been so Mac centric I've not had to deal with ProRes in a PC world for a long time.  It has been my understanding for quite a while the best way to export ProRes out of avid is to do a video mixdown to prores and then export that same as source.  This bypasses any involvement in the QT engine that is notorious for slight level/gamma shifts.  I'm assuming this is still true.  

I'm helping out a post sup on a new show and they don't seem to have the ProRes codec on their systems.  I'm not sure if they are PC or mac but sounds like PC to me.  Wouldn't any mac have ProRes Codec available or is the the difference between reading ProRes and writing?  I know without a QTPro license I could not export from QT 7Pro.  All my macs have FCP7 installed so they got the QT 7Pro license.  Is it possible that a new mac could not have the ability to write a ProRes file unless somthing like compressor etc... is installed.  In such a situation be it PC or Mac would an internal video mixdown to ProRes exported same as source to a .mov create a proper ProRes QT?  That's the impression I've gotten over the years.  If this is correct then it appears Avid can write a prores file internally or render to prores without the need for the QT codecs.  Am I understanding this correctly?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...




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Re: [Avid-L2] Availability of ProRes Codec internal to Avid in a PC and Mac world?

 

I think you already get this, but to be clear…


I can read, playback and edit ProRes media all day in Media Composer under Windows.  I can even ingest ProRes QuickTimes via consolidate or fast import, retaining the ProRes source media in Media Composer.  In all those cases, Media Composer is merely copying existing ProRes sources.  What I cannot do is render or create any ProRes Media with Media Composer.

Dave Hogan,
Burbank, CA


On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:09 PM, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks for the info.  I had thought Avid considered ProRes as native media these days.  Everybodies been saying for years to mixdown to ProRes in Avid and export same as source to avoid the annoying level shifts.  I figured that was available on PCs as well.

I have found out the the folks asking the question are on macs but I don't know what Avid version.  I had thought Avid and Adobe and others had written their own code to avoid the need for QT dependence.  Perhaps I mistakenly figured that meant the ProRes choices I see in Avid meant it was a fully native codec in Avid at this point and not dependent on being on a mac.  Well more will be revealed.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <mactvman@...> wrote :

Hey John,

Where I work all our online bays are PC, running mostly Windows 10.  We don't have the option to do any kind of mix down to ProRes media.

If my source files happen to be ProRes I can read that on PC, and if there are no effects in a cuts only timeline, I have in the past exported "Same as Source" and gotten ProRes, but I haven't done it recently, to know if it works on current Media Composer versions.  However in that scenario, the PC Media Composer cannot "create" any new media in ProRes.  The option is not available in Media Creation settings.

What we do where I work is create an OP1a DNx175X file with audio, open that file on a Mac and do the ProRes export there.  (Or do an uncompressed Video MixDown RGB with audio, in a sequence in a Bin).

Either way, That's how we get to ProRes.  Always on a Mac, from MXF media.  Mac Media Composer has the choice in Media Creation settings to use MXF or ProRes, and there is still the option to bring into Final Cut.  I know there are some hoops our Avid Assists go through to prevent levels shifts, but I don't currently know what those are.  (I'll ask and follow up tonight).

Dave Hogan
Burbank, CA

On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:12 AM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I've been so Mac centric I've not had to deal with ProRes in a PC world for a long time.  It has been my understanding for quite a while the best way to export ProRes out of avid is to do a video mixdown to prores and then export that same as source.  This bypasses any involvement in the QT engine that is notorious for slight level/gamma shifts.  I'm assuming this is still true.  

I'm helping out a post sup on a new show and they don't seem to have the ProRes codec on their systems.  I'm not sure if they are PC or mac but sounds like PC to me.  Wouldn't any mac have ProRes Codec available or is the the difference between reading ProRes and writing?  I know without a QTPro license I could not export from QT 7Pro.  All my macs have FCP7 installed so they got the QT 7Pro license.  Is it possible that a new mac could not have the ability to write a ProRes file unless somthing like compressor etc... is installed..  In such a situation be it PC or Mac would an internal video mixdown to ProRes exported same as source to a .mov create a proper ProRes QT?  That's the impression I've gotten over the years.  If this is correct then it appears Avid can write a prores file internally or render to prores without the need for the QT codecs.  Am I understanding this correctly?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...




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Re: [Avid-L2] Availability of ProRes Codec internal to Avid in a PC and Mac world?

 

This is one way of making ProRes on Windows:


(Export MXF out of Avid, this thing starts working while Avid is still outputting, so it will take zero extra time.)


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On 06 Sep 2019, at 01:09, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks for the info.  I had thought Avid considered ProRes as native media these days.  Everybodies been saying for years to mixdown to ProRes in Avid and export same as source to avoid the annoying level shifts.  I figured that was available on PCs as well.

I have found out the the folks asking the question are on macs but I don't know what Avid version.  I had thought Avid and Adobe and others had written their own code to avoid the need for QT dependence.  Perhaps I mistakenly figured that meant the ProRes choices I see in Avid meant it was a fully native codec in Avid at this point and not dependent on being on a mac.  Well more will be revealed.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <mactvman@...> wrote :

Hey John,

Where I work all our online bays are PC, running mostly Windows 10.  We don't have the option to do any kind of mix down to ProRes media.

If my source files happen to be ProRes I can read that on PC, and if there are no effects in a cuts only timeline, I have in the past exported "Same as Source" and gotten ProRes, but I haven't done it recently, to know if it works on current Media Composer versions.  However in that scenario, the PC Media Composer cannot "create" any new media in ProRes.  The option is not available in Media Creation settings.

What we do where I work is create an OP1a DNx175X file with audio, open that file on a Mac and do the ProRes export there.  (Or do an uncompressed Video MixDown RGB with audio, in a sequence in a Bin).

Either way, That's how we get to ProRes.  Always on a Mac, from MXF media.  Mac Media Composer has the choice in Media Creation settings to use MXF or ProRes, and there is still the option to bring into Final Cut.  I know there are some hoops our Avid Assists go through to prevent levels shifts, but I don't currently know what those are.  (I'll ask and follow up tonight).

Dave Hogan
Burbank, CA

On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:12 AM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I've been so Mac centric I've not had to deal with ProRes in a PC world for a long time.  It has been my understanding for quite a while the best way to export ProRes out of avid is to do a video mixdown to prores and then export that same as source.  This bypasses any involvement in the QT engine that is notorious for slight level/gamma shifts.  I'm assuming this is still true.  

I'm helping out a post sup on a new show and they don't seem to have the ProRes codec on their systems.  I'm not sure if they are PC or mac but sounds like PC to me.  Wouldn't any mac have ProRes Codec available or is the the difference between reading ProRes and writing?  I know without a QTPro license I could not export from QT 7Pro.  All my macs have FCP7 installed so they got the QT 7Pro license.  Is it possible that a new mac could not have the ability to write a ProRes file unless somthing like compressor etc... is installed..  In such a situation be it PC or Mac would an internal video mixdown to ProRes exported same as source to a .mov create a proper ProRes QT?  That's the impression I've gotten over the years.  If this is correct then it appears Avid can write a prores file internally or render to prores without the need for the QT codecs.  Am I understanding this correctly?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...




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Re: [Avid-L2] Availability of ProRes Codec internal to Avid in a PC and Mac world?

 

Thanks for the info.  I had thought Avid considered ProRes as native media these days.  Everybodies been saying for years to mixdown to ProRes in Avid and export same as source to avoid the annoying level shifts.  I figured that was available on PCs as well.

I have found out the the folks asking the question are on macs but I don't know what Avid version.  I had thought Avid and Adobe and others had written their own code to avoid the need for QT dependence.  Perhaps I mistakenly figured that meant the ProRes choices I see in Avid meant it was a fully native codec in Avid at this point and not dependent on being on a mac.  Well more will be revealed.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <mactvman@...> wrote :

Hey John,

Where I work all our online bays are PC, running mostly Windows 10.  We don't have the option to do any kind of mix down to ProRes media.

If my source files happen to be ProRes I can read that on PC, and if there are no effects in a cuts only timeline, I have in the past exported "Same as Source" and gotten ProRes, but I haven't done it recently, to know if it works on current Media Composer versions.  However in that scenario, the PC Media Composer cannot "create" any new media in ProRes.  The option is not available in Media Creation settings.

What we do where I work is create an OP1a DNx175X file with audio, open that file on a Mac and do the ProRes export there.  (Or do an uncompressed Video MixDown RGB with audio, in a sequence in a Bin).

Either way, That's how we get to ProRes.  Always on a Mac, from MXF media.  Mac Media Composer has the choice in Media Creation settings to use MXF or ProRes, and there is still the option to bring into Final Cut.  I know there are some hoops our Avid Assists go through to prevent levels shifts, but I don't currently know what those are.  (I'll ask and follow up tonight).

Dave Hogan
Burbank, CA

On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:12 AM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I've been so Mac centric I've not had to deal with ProRes in a PC world for a long time.  It has been my understanding for quite a while the best way to export ProRes out of avid is to do a video mixdown to prores and then export that same as source.  This bypasses any involvement in the QT engine that is notorious for slight level/gamma shifts.  I'm assuming this is still true.  

I'm helping out a post sup on a new show and they don't seem to have the ProRes codec on their systems.  I'm not sure if they are PC or mac but sounds like PC to me.  Wouldn't any mac have ProRes Codec available or is the the difference between reading ProRes and writing?  I know without a QTPro license I could not export from QT 7Pro.  All my macs have FCP7 installed so they got the QT 7Pro license.  Is it possible that a new mac could not have the ability to write a ProRes file unless somthing like compressor etc... is installed.  In such a situation be it PC or Mac would an internal video mixdown to ProRes exported same as source to a .mov create a proper ProRes QT?  That's the impression I've gotten over the years.  If this is correct then it appears Avid can write a prores file internally or render to prores without the need for the QT codecs.  Am I understanding this correctly?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...


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Re: [Avid-L2] Availability of ProRes Codec internal to Avid in a PC and Mac world?

 

Hey John,

Where I work all our online bays are PC, running mostly Windows 10.  We don't have the option to do any kind of mix down to ProRes media.

If my source files happen to be ProRes I can read that on PC, and if there are no effects in a cuts only timeline, I have in the past exported "Same as Source" and gotten ProRes, but I haven't done it recently, to know if it works on current Media Composer versions.  However in that scenario, the PC Media Composer cannot "create" any new media in ProRes.  The option is not available in Media Creation settings.

What we do where I work is create an OP1a DNx175X file with audio, open that file on a Mac and do the ProRes export there.  (Or do an uncompressed Video MixDown RGB with audio, in a sequence in a Bin).

Either way, That's how we get to ProRes.  Always on a Mac, from MXF media.  Mac Media Composer has the choice in Media Creation settings to use MXF or ProRes, and there is still the option to bring into Final Cut.  I know there are some hoops our Avid Assists go through to prevent levels shifts, but I don't currently know what those are.  (I'll ask and follow up tonight).

Dave Hogan
Burbank, CA

On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:12 AM, John Moore bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I've been so Mac centric I've not had to deal with ProRes in a PC world for a long time.  It has been my understanding for quite a while the best way to export ProRes out of avid is to do a video mixdown to prores and then export that same as source.  This bypasses any involvement in the QT engine that is notorious for slight level/gamma shifts.  I'm assuming this is still true.  

I'm helping out a post sup on a new show and they don't seem to have the ProRes codec on their systems.  I'm not sure if they are PC or mac but sounds like PC to me.  Wouldn't any mac have ProRes Codec available or is the the difference between reading ProRes and writing?  I know without a QTPro license I could not export from QT 7Pro.  All my macs have FCP7 installed so they got the QT 7Pro license.  Is it possible that a new mac could not have the ability to write a ProRes file unless somthing like compressor etc... is installed.  In such a situation be it PC or Mac would an internal video mixdown to ProRes exported same as source to a .mov create a proper ProRes QT?  That's the impression I've gotten over the years.  If this is correct then it appears Avid can write a prores file internally or render to prores without the need for the QT codecs.  Am I understanding this correctly?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net


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[Avid-L2] Availability of ProRes Codec internal to Avid in a PC and Mac world?

 

I've been so Mac centric I've not had to deal with ProRes in a PC world for a long time.  It has been my understanding for quite a while the best way to export ProRes out of avid is to do a video mixdown to prores and then export that same as source.  This bypasses any involvement in the QT engine that is notorious for slight level/gamma shifts.  I'm assuming this is still true. 

I'm helping out a post sup on a new show and they don't seem to have the ProRes codec on their systems.  I'm not sure if they are PC or mac but sounds like PC to me.  Wouldn't any mac have ProRes Codec available or is the the difference between reading ProRes and writing?  I know without a QTPro license I could not export from QT 7Pro.  All my macs have FCP7 installed so they got the QT 7Pro license.  Is it possible that a new mac could not have the ability to write a ProRes file unless somthing like compressor etc... is installed.  In such a situation be it PC or Mac would an internal video mixdown to ProRes exported same as source to a .mov create a proper ProRes QT?  That's the impression I've gotten over the years.  If this is correct then it appears Avid can write a prores file internally or render to prores without the need for the QT codecs.  Am I understanding this correctly?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

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Saturday, August 31, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] Painful Learning Curve on IMF creation

 

TY John, and ouch!!!

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Subject: [Avid-L2] Painful Learning Curve on IMF creation

 

Just so nobody has to go through this but me beware when creating IMFs, or any other export I assume, in Resolve make sure you don't mute any of the needed audio tracks before going to the delivery page.  Part of the process is taking my Avid AAF with the DPX video and wav audio stems into Resolve then link grouping the first 6 channels as 5.1 and the 7&8 channels to a 2.0 group.  This tells Resolve to make the IMF with two interleaved tracks that become pcm.mxf files in the IMF folder.

Well guess who was trying to learn more about the fairlight buss format and buss assign to facilitate being able to toggle between main 1 (5.1 track) and main 22 (2.0 track) monitoring to the control room feed?  And also guess who in the process used the mute button on the various mains to check if I was monitoring the correct buss?  If you answered Supreme Chuckle Head John Moore you would be right.  This lead to a 10 plus hour render, do to scaling 4096_2160 to UHD, that is now worthless.  Now if I wanted to be all hip and cool I could just do a supplemental imf with just the stereo track but since this is my first delivery I don't want it to come out of the gate that way.

Now if you also guess I'd be sleeping on the couch tonight because the expansion chassis on my mac pro is next to my bed and it sounds like a jet is taking off you win a bonus prize.

I knew it was a bad Omen when OKI Dog was closed at 10P last night on my way home from work.

So beware of the mute buttons that easly scroll out of sight in the display.  You have been warned.

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

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Friday, August 30, 2019

[Avid-L2] Painful Learning Curve on IMF creation

 

Just so nobody has to go through this but me beware when creating IMFs, or any other export I assume, in Resolve make sure you don't mute any of the needed audio tracks before going to the delivery page.  Part of the process is taking my Avid AAF with the DPX video and wav audio stems into Resolve then link grouping the first 6 channels as 5.1 and the 7&8 channels to a 2.0 group.  This tells Resolve to make the IMF with two interleaved tracks that become pcm.mxf files in the IMF folder.

Well guess who was trying to learn more about the fairlight buss format and buss assign to facilitate being able to toggle between main 1 (5.1 track) and main 22 (2.0 track) monitoring to the control room feed?  And also guess who in the process used the mute button on the various mains to check if I was monitoring the correct buss?  If you answered Supreme Chuckle Head John Moore you would be right.  This lead to a 10 plus hour render, do to scaling 4096_2160 to UHD, that is now worthless.  Now if I wanted to be all hip and cool I could just do a supplemental imf with just the stereo track but since this is my first delivery I don't want it to come out of the gate that way.

Now if you also guess I'd be sleeping on the couch tonight because the expansion chassis on my mac pro is next to my bed and it sounds like a jet is taking off you win a bonus prize.

I knew it was a bad Omen when OKI Dog was closed at 10P last night on my way home from work.

So beware of the mute buttons that easly scroll out of sight in the display.  You have been warned.

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid Link very long open

 

I've had memory leak type issues on my home macpro mid 2012 with Avid link.  When I boot and it starts up I quit it before doing anything.  My issue is that after a while if I check in Activity monitor Avid Link is listed as using over 20GB of ram.  I have 64 GB ram.  I don't see the same behavior on my work system with a similar macpro.  I was told to go into Avid Link preferences and shot of launch and hide checkbox but that doesn't stop it from launching.  I hadn't looked for an uninstall.  I was also told I could use application manager instead.  It just got to a point where I just quit it.

Clearly given two similar systems have different behavior there is something buggy and system dependent.  At home only the products tab shows info all the others are blank pages except for profile tab but once I log in it goes blank.  This doesn't happen at work.  I've upgraded Avid link several times but this behavior persists.  I was told by support the blank tabs was a known bug they were working on but it's been4 or more months since I reported it.

I guess it's a good thing I spend my time frustrated with New Blue because Titler+ is even more annoying.  I did see there were some improvements to Titler+ in 2019 but I'm not on that yet I'm sticking on 2018.12.3 and mighjt try 2018.012.7 once I switch projects.  Does anybody know if the Titler+ improvements in 2019 are also incorporated in 2018.12.7?


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Hi,

I'm on a Apple MacBook Pro "Core i7" 3.1 15" Mid-2017 16GB

Since Avid Link came out, Media Composer takes up to four minutes to
open. Normally it takes 45 seconds.

I know it's Avid Link because the long opening behaviour stopped after I
uninstalled it.
Yesterday I upgraded to 2018-12-7 and let Avid link install. The same
long opening came back. After uninstalling it, I was back to the 45
seconds open.

What am I doing wrong. Why is Avid Link slowing down the opening? How
can I have Avid link install without the long open?

Thanks,

Marcel

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