Re: [Avid-L2] Shotgun recommendation

Hey Greg,

Thought of your mic quest when I ended up working with a Blackmagic camera this week. We recorded double-system sound, but fed the camera a scratch track… but anyway...

So what, if anything, did you end up buying or doing?


jim feeley
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On Jun 28, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Jeff Kreines jeff@kinetta.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Mics are one of the few things that don't go out of date. Cameras do, monitors do, NLEs do, computers do. Mics and Lenses tend to hold their value if chosen well.
>
>
> Sometimes it's worth spending more. I got a Schoeps with CMBi preamp to use on a consumer DV camcorder — it cost 2x what the camera did, but the sound was so good it was worth it.
>
> You often will find Schoeps preamps and capsules on eBay. You want the MK41 capsule, or a compact CCL mic with 41 pattern (sometimes these are a bargain, and they are small).
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Greg Huson Greg@SecretHQ.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Tom and again Jim.
>>
>> I hadn't planned on spending that much money, but I've had my current shotgun for 10-15 years or more, so maybe going cheaper ( I was leaning Rhode) isn't the right answer. You always need a good mic and my Tram Lav has been awesome for that same 10 years.
>>
>> I'm mostly shooting blackmagic, because I'm 're-learning' how to shoot, and we don't sell it as a service yer, so it's what I can justify financially. But the AKG I have simply doesn't have enough gain, even with the dr-100 as 'second system,' and I'm not keen on strapping on a pre-amp.
>>
>> Guess I'll head over to Location Sound Monday or Tuesday.
>>
>> GH
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>> Greg Huson
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>> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
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>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 12:46 PM, "'Tom McDonnell' ltr54@sbcglobal.net [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry AVID-L for replying late on this thread...
>>>
>>> Jim Feeley wrote:
>>> >This is probably more info than you need, but hopefully it'll help frame
>>> your search.
>>>
>>> Jim that is THE most comprehensive treatise on shotgun mics I've ever read.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Greg I don't know your application. If you are planning on putting it on a
>>> DSLR then save your money unless you plan to record double system sound. At
>>> my last job I did several shoots where we had to shoot on DSLR crap and
>>> double system sound was the only way to record professional dialog. There
>>> where a few times when I had to record sound straight to the DSLR. It
>>> sounded like crap but was considered by the director "good enough to get
>>> away with."
>>>
>>> I can only add like Jim suggested is go to Location Sound on Cahuenga Blvd W
>>> and sound test all the mics. They have all the mics discussed here in a real
>>> world environment. Now I will say my experience was eye opening. I A'B'd mic
>>> after mic and the only candidates I would consider where the Sanken CS-3,
>>> CS-1 and Scheops Shotgun, every other mic sounded frankly like crap to my
>>> ears. In the end I purchased the CS-3. My experience was the Schoeps shotgun
>>> was simply stunning in sound, pattern, isolation and notably it's incredible
>>> reach and it is such a rich warm sounding shotgun. The real shock was the
>>> CS-3 and CS-1 where only behind the Schoeps in reach. What does that mean?
>>> Well with the Schoeps you didn't have to find the sweet spot it's just
>>> there, with the Sanken's you had to do a bit more hunt and pecking. As far
>>> as the MKH series I was not impressed at all. They sounded hollow, boomy and
>>> just plain crappy next to the Sankens and Schoeps. And FYI I was ready to
>>> lay down cash on a MKH mic sound unheard. That's how good the MKH rep was
>>> with the sound mixers I work with.
>>>
>>> The guys at Location Sound will treat you right.
>>>
>>> Tom McDonnell
>>> 818-675-1501



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