Re: [Avid-L2] Re: A goodbye; Selling my copy of MC7 + Dongle

Sorry - you're correct - I was mistaken... I get 25fps playback in the
client interface, there is no update during playback on the Nitris DX
client monitor at all until I park it on a frame.

I was misremembering my experience there. I guess I didn't find it a huge
problem in practice, but it would definitely be better if it integrated
more completely.

Dylan Reeve
http://dylanreeve.com/


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:30 AM, blafarm <blafarm@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Actually, I wrote that rather lengthy post in an effort to address the
> apparent conflict in our two previous posts.
>
> You are absolutely correct, you can achieve 25fps playback on an external
> monitor when playing a Baselight CC effect from the Avid timeline --
> however, that is impossible if you have the Baselight plugin open.
>
> As Martin indicated in a recent email, Filmlight has never been able to
> achieve realtime playback to a client monitor while the Baselight UI is
> open. Accordingly, Filmlight completely disabled updates to the client
> monitor around a year ago -- and this feature intentionally does not work
> on both the Mac and PC versions of the plugin.
>
> With Martin's permission, here is his comment on the subject:
>
> "This is not a bug - it is functioning as intended. Basically, the
> performance of Client Monitoring for 3rd party plugins is appalling in Avid
> - we are only able to achieve 3-5fps, in spite of the fact that the
> hardware & BL are clearly capable of going a lot faster (as evidenced by
> playing in the Avid Timeline). We thread this way so that at least the
> Baselight UI feels fluid, but this does not help playback, as interlocking
> required between fetching input frames from Avid and writing to the client
> monitor produces extremely jerky playback. For this reason, we made the
> decision to disable client monitoring updates during playback, so that at
> least BL UI was fluid, allowing people to judge tracks, shape key framing
> etc. We certainly aren't happy about this - to fix this poor performance is
> the only thing we've really wanted from Avid, but alas they've been unable
> to do it so far. We could potentially restore the updates during playback,
> but I think you're unlikely to be hugely satisfied by the results."
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dylan Reeve <dylan@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'll fire it up at work again tomorrow if I remember - I am pretty sure I
> > was getting 25fps playback through my Nitrix DX.
> >
> > Dylan Reeve
> > http://dylanreeve.com/
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM, blafarm <blafarm@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > The Baselight plugin is a very powerful tool -- especially compared to
> the
> > > antediluvian color corrector in MC/Symphony. The plugin offers a
> workflow
> > > that avoids the perils of round-tripping (Resolve), and it works quite
> well
> > > with the Artist Color. However, it is impossible to play the shots
> being
> > > graded on a calibrated external monitor, at running speed, while the
> > > Baselight plugin is open.
> > >
> > > Of course, you can always just close the plugin and watch the graded
> image
> > > on an external monitor, at running speed, by simply playing the Avid
> > > timeline (frequently without the necessity of rendering) – but then
> your
> > > color correction workflow requires repeatedly opening and closing the
> > > plugin, which is far from optimal.
> > >
> > > You CAN view any still frame of the shots being graded on an external
> > > monitor while the plugin is open – and changes you make using the
> plugin
> > > will be updated in real time on the external monitor. You also CAN
> watch
> > > those same shots, at running speed, in a small inset window within the
> > > plugin, however, unless your clients are literally sitting in your lap,
> > > they won't see that inset window. Alternatively, you can hit F8 and the
> > > inset image will fill the entire Baselight UI – but that's at the cost
> of
> > > losing access to the Baselight controls.
> > >
> > > Martin has recently indicated that when the current releases are done
> > > Filmlight will likely add the ability to have separate UI and image
> display
> > > windows that will allow the image to be dragged to a second monitor.
> That
> > > would allow for a larger image, at running speed, while still being
> able to
> > > access the plugin controls. You could then feed that signal to a
> separate
> > > computer display, to a calibrated monitor via HDMI or DVI – or to an
> HD-SDI
> > > monitor via a converter.
> > >
> > > However, unless you use Truelight, the images in the Baselight UI will
> be
> > > displayed using a graphics card and/or monitor that are likely
> operating in
> > > a RGB color space. As a workaround experiment, I `extended' my Windows
> > > computer desktop to include a calibrated 709 display (via HDMI) – and
> then
> > > dragged the Baselight UI to that monitor in an effort to get the inset
> > > image onto a screen with the correct color space. Unfortunately, there
> are
> > > still color space issues which became evident when I put the Belle Nuit
> > > test chart on that monitor and used nVidia's Control Panel to switch
> > > between 0-255 and 16-235, with no perceived display difference. So,
> short
> > > of other calibration solutions, having a computer graphics card in
> video
> > > pipeline seems less-than-ideal for achieving a dependable 709 color
> > > correction environment.
> > >
> > > The irony of this story is that Martin believes this problem is likely
> > > caused by a bug that has yet to be fixed by Avid. As he points out in a
> > > recent email: "The hardware+BL are clearly capable of doing this, as
> we do
> > > it together on the Avid timeline. The difference when we're popped us
> is
> > > that we are using AVX to give images to Avid to display on the client
> > > monitor. I have no idea what they are doing that can make this so
> slow. The
> > > best way to get this fixed is to apply pressure on Avid by raising this
> > > directly with Avid. We have a good relationship with them, but clearly
> they
> > > are pulled in a lot of different directions, so this hasn't come to
> the top
> > > of their list yet."
> > >
> > > Look, I get it, I'm running a business too. Avid obviously has limited
> > > resources and they have prioritized them to address product
> development and
> > > marketing goals. However, year after year, users complain about tools
> that
> > > have not been upgraded for over a decade. At this point, it's a joke
> that's
> > > simply not funny.
> > >
> > > I am begrudgingly willing to accept that Avid does not have the
> resources
> > > to upgrade these antiquated tools -- however, I don't understand why
> they
> > > have to cripple 3rd party plugins like Baselight by not addressing a
> bug.
> > > As Martin said: "The best way to get this fixed is to apply pressure on
> > > Avid by raising this directly with Avid."
> > >
> > > Frankly, the correct path for Avid really seems quite obvious.
> Addressing
> > > this bug would at least allow us to continue buying Avid products, in
> spite
> > > of their glaring shortcomings. Sure, it will cost us money in order to
> > > achieve functionality that should, arguably, be `baked' into the NLE
> > > software. I'm perfectly willing to shoulder that burden, but I don't
> think
> > > I'll continue buying Avid products if they don't at least allow 3rd
> party
> > > plugins to effectively fill the void caused by their resource
> limitations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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