Sunday, April 29, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Does Red Rocket accellerate Avid Red ama workflows?

 

John,

Don't modify anything when you choose either route. Keep tapenames or source file names as they are. Don't try to outsmart these tried and tested workflows.

The setting you must have missed is that RCXoffers you the option to force the clips to 16-235, or to use full swing 0-255. The latter is meant to leave some more latitude when you would subsequently grade the resulting clips in a video environment (rather than from raw R3D).

You should ne able to get the same levels from either method.

I now understand your project rate is 29.97p. So I still recommend you use DNxHD36 (DNxHD45) for offline.

Whether you do that through RCX or AMA is a matter of choice, but you should choose ONE of these methods and stick with it all the way.

The only reason some of us suggested RCX is because you were asking about RedRocket. RedRocket in MC only works if you choose Full Debayer, whereas RCX lets you use the Rocket acceleration on with any Debayer setting you like.

J

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On Apr 30, 2012, at 4:30, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> I took my Red Test Files and used RedCineX Pro to export mxf files and an aaf. It seems like I ended up with a bonus ale in the target folder or perhaps I accidentally hit one of the other buttons to generate an ale. The aaf worked on my sndx 4.0.5 mac system. Comparing the RCX generated files to the ama transcodes from the AE station with mcsoft 5.5 the blacks are elevated and the highs are a little lower. Blacks that are close to 0 on the ama clips are close to 100 millvolts on the RCX clips. I left the "M" choice on the level choices and Red Gamma etc... at what they are defaulted to in RCX. This was a fresh RedCineX install as the older builds I had did not support 29.97 dnx. Funny on launching the fresh install it told be there was an upgrade which I said yes to. One thing I found was the aaf clips imported would not allow me to alter the tape name no matter what I tried. I could however rename the tape name on the ama transcoded clips to match those of the ama and I could then relink my test sequence to the aaf'd clips. If I cut a sequence with the aaf'd clips that matched the test sequence if I then decomposed it I could rename the tape name to match the original ama'd transcoded clips and then I could relink to the ama media. So far the ama route seems the best image with the least amount of futzing. With the aaf RCX route the tape name became the clip name is this something that could be changed? I will have to dig a little deeper. I would have thought clicking the "M" choice instead of "D" would translate the camera metadata just like we did with the ama settings in the Avid transcode but there is a definate difference in levels between the two sets of media. Is there another generic pass through the camera metadata settings in RCX I'm missing?
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
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>> Test it.
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>> I can tell you that if the files are imported originally, I have to go the EDL, RedCineX conform, retranscode at higher rez, drop media in and import AAF, then relink route.
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>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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>>> So that means that if we created mxf 10:1 avid media using RedCineX and dropped those into an existing avidmediafiles folder and brought the clips in using media tool those clips would be considered imports? Am I confused about RedCineX's functionality here. Does it only create QT files for Avid import or does it also create Avid mxf media directly. I thought it did both but I don't know why I think that. It sounds like we'd have to go the aaf route or ale route to then import the RedCineX QT files based on those bins. Would that allow for the addition of Tape Names to then relink using ama?
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>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@> wrote:
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>>>> No. Imports link to imports. AMA links to AMA.
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>>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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>>>>> Will Red CineX generated clips still allow for an ama relink to the original R3D files? So far our simple ama all avid test has worked fine.
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>>>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Greg Huson <Greg@> wrote:
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>>>>>> John- dont fear the redcine-x!
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>>>>>> Hh
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>>>>>> ________________________
>>>>>> Greg Huson
>>>>>> Secret Headquarters, Inc
>>>>>> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
>>>>>> www.SecretHQ.com
>>>>>> DigitalServicsStation.com
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>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:16 AM, "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@> wrote:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MC works with Rocket, but ONLY during transcode (not playback) and ONLY when the Media Creation R3D Setting is set to Full Debayer.
>>>>>>> Also, it requires a very specific combination of Red Rocket firmware and driver versions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you install RedCine-X on the same system, that can use the Rocket card as well and gives you more options (lower Debayer settings for instance).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28 apr. 2012, at 00:40, John Moore wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Can someone remind me if Avid supports Red Rocket when dealing with Red ama linked transcoding to Avid media?
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