Monday, June 6, 2011

Re: [Avid-L2] 23.98 to 29.97 workflow question

 

I think that number is based on absolute frame count. Meaning 1:30
seconds of 30 fPS video equals, 1:52 seconds in 23.976 of video.
That is not a TC based on an anchor point plus pulldown factor.
If in doubt, use the Avid timeline and TC window. Just create a 23.976
sequence with the starting TC the same as your anchor point. From here
you can have the TC Window show you the relationship of your 29.97DF
<--> 23.976 conversion.

On 6/6/2011 5:34 PM, Jeff Hedberg wrote:
> Thanks Dom,
> Don't have Symphony - so I guess tape to tape it is.
>
> I know how to set the anchor point on the D5 - but I'll admit that I don't know how I'd do this on a Digibeta deck. (is this necessary?)
> I've set the D5's anchor point to be 01:00:00:00
> I just essentially play back the D5, and crash record on the digi. This looks good - but has given me mixed results with the timecode.
>
> I looked around online for some help and came across this post: http://lfhd.net/2008/10/22/timecode-calculator/
> I downloaded it - and it doesn't seem to convert like I expect at all.
>
> I punch in 00:01:30:00 in 29.97DF and then change to 23.98 (drop?!) and get an answer of 00:01:52:12 which really, really confuses me.
> I can't figure out how I'd use this to get my in and out lining up on the tape at all.
>
> Assuming I want the following:
>
> IN : 1:00:00:00
> OUT: 1:01:29:29
>
> IN: 1:03:00:00
> OUT: 1:04:29:29
>
> and so on - how would I figure out where those need to fall in 23.98 time code? Seems like this software needs a similar 'anchor point' setting?
>
> (maybe I'm missing something obvious)
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------------
> Jeff Hedberg
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Dom Q. Silverio wrote:
>
>> If you don't have Symphony DX with Universal Mastering, option 2 (downcovert
>> via deck is preferable).
>>
>> Make sure you are calculating frames and TC correctly (pulldown, DF vs NDF,
>> etc).
>> Second, make sure the deck has the same "anchor point" for the TC
>> conversion. For example make sure 01:00:00.00 in 23.976p is the same frame
>> as 01:00:00.00 in your 29.97 conversion.
>>
>> Dom Q. Silverio
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Jeff Hedberg<jeff@unioneditorial.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a head scratching workflow question.
>>>
>>> Footage is coming in via AMA - all shot @ 23.98 HD.
>>> After rough cutting (DNxHD 36) at 23.98 - I now need to output at 29.97 SD
>>> master.
>>> I relink AMA - and now have full resolution in the Avid.
>>>
>>> Hardware is Nitros DX.
>>> I had thought that I'd use the 'downconvert' video output and insert edit
>>> to digibeta - however MC complains that it can't control a 29.97 deck in a
>>> 23.98 project.
>>>
>>> So I've now started a 29.97 project and opened the sequences in there.
>>> Before it will output it needs to transcode. I have it do that at 1:1...
>>> then output.
>>>
>>> This is tape 1.
>>>
>>>
>>> I now output a D5 at 23.98, (from full res AMA files) then play it back and
>>> record a Digibeta from it.
>>> This Digibeta is tape 2.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tape 2's visually quality is a lot higher than Tape 1.
>>> However, Tape 2 - has timecode issues where I can't get the pieces to
>>> start/end on the frames they need to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the recommended workflow for dealing with something like this
>>> (changing TC rate from 23.98 to 29.97DF, as well as HD to SD)?
>>>
>>> I'm not happy with the Avid's transcoding/down-converting quality - but I
>>> can't seem to wrap my head around how to get my D5 tape set up properly for
>>> a tape to tape down convert.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any pointers.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> ------------------
>>> Jeff Hedberg
>>>
>>>
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