There aren't too many gals out there that can really appreciate a deep discussion of subcarrier phase, but we do exist ;-)
Best,
Shirley
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From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:13 am
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: BetaSp Ctrl Track Phase?
Wow this is the first time talking about framing servos got me anywhere with the
opposite sex. Back in the day none of the ladies at the bar were interested.
And to this day I can't bring up SCH with my wife because she rolls her eyes and
leaves the room. Well, full disclosure, that's not the only thing I do she
rolls her eyes at.
--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@...> wrote:
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> John, you slay me.
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> "Adjusting the CTL head on 3/4 inch machines?" "Framing servo error?" I feel
35 again!
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> You are my signal knight! Keep up the fight!
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> Best,
> Shirley
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> From: johnrobmoore <bigfish@...>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:30 pm
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: BetaSp Ctrl Track Phase?
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> I just stumbled on the fact that every time I hit the jog button to stop the
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> tape to check if ltc and vitc match I noticed the TCR said F2 until the last
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> tape I checked which consistently stopped on F1. Hmmmmmm When I say
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> consistently I mean like 7 times in a row on multiple tapes all stopping on F2
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> until the last tape which always stopped on F1. I figured there might be a
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> system relationship that no matter when you hit the jog button to stop the
tape
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> the tape transport circuitry might buffer the button push and issue the
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> jog/pause command relative to some internal cycle that would somehow be
related
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> to or consistent with the CTL pulse. Hence my supposition that perhaps the
fact
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> that one tape always stopped on F1 unlike the other might indicate a ctrl
track
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> phase difference. I can remember adjusting the CTL head on 3/4 inch machines
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> and you could definitely max tracking in two positions which could lead to a
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> framing servo error and required CMX and others to modify the m
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> achines to analyze ctrl track phase relative to time code sync word and
invert
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> the phase if an error persisted for 4 times in a row IIRC. Now I'm wondering
if
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> there could be a similar error on one of the dub house betasps. I guess what
I
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> should check is the position of the time code sync word relative to house
sync.
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> Maybe I'll do that next batch of dubs if I see the same anomaly, but the way
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> those decks tend to reclock/resync time code I'm not sure if the drift still
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> shows up like with asynchronous code. I bet it does on the LTC out because I
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> doubt that is regenerated like the RS-422 code is, another Hmmmmmm. And yes
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> betasp is long in the tooth but a weekly deliver requirement of several copies
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> to the cable network we are delivering to. I assume the network doesn't want
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> spend any money updating their infrastructure to rid themselves of betasp.
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Degan <DennyD1@> wrote:
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> > On Dec 27, 2010, at 8:34 PM, John Moore wrote:
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> > > Today I noticed every time I hit the jog button to stop play the
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> > deck always parked on a Field 2 according to the time code reader on
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> > the deck. I figured that's just the way the ballistics of the machine
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> > worked until the last tape I checked always stopped on Field 1. This
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> > got me thinking there may be a relationship between ctrl track phase
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> > and where the machine parks, much like the issues we use to deal with
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> > in the 3/4 inch days when some decks didn't have framing servos.
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> > I offer:
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> > I have some remaining knowledge on Beta SP VTRs and I've never heard
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> > of this question before. Are you saying that EVERY TIME you randomly
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> > stop playback, it lands on field 2?
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> > As background, there IS a relationship between the CT phase and field
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> > order. But beyond that, the mind gets fuzzy due to age.
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> > Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
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